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	<title>Comments on: King Kong and the White Woman</title>
	<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/</link>
	<description>Making the Connections</description>
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		<title>By: Hooper</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-65627</link>
		<dc:creator>Hooper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The, presumably white, posters above are in engaging in an uniquely American form of intellectual dishonesty wherein anti-black-male racism, a defining characteristic of the United States' (past and present) is the elephant in the living room whose existence is conspicuously denied... even as they wade around neck-deep in dung.

REPLY:  This site and its most frequent commenters have consistently acknowledged and critiqued the intersection of white supremacy and patriarchy, calling both organizing principles of American society.  We have also pointed to the contradictions, ie, the need to validate women's experience of rape as a mechanism of social control at the sametime we note how often the lurid image of the hypersexual black male operates to conjoin rape with black men in the imaginations of white people.  It strikes us as odd that this comment defines American white supremacy as "anti-black-MALE racism," as if Black women somehow escape the vagaries of white supremacy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The, presumably white, posters above are in engaging in an uniquely American form of intellectual dishonesty wherein anti-black-male racism, a defining characteristic of the United States&#8217; (past and present) is the elephant in the living room whose existence is conspicuously denied&#8230; even as they wade around neck-deep in dung.</p>
<p>REPLY:  This site and its most frequent commenters have consistently acknowledged and critiqued the intersection of white supremacy and patriarchy, calling both organizing principles of American society.  We have also pointed to the contradictions, ie, the need to validate women&#8217;s experience of rape as a mechanism of social control at the sametime we note how often the lurid image of the hypersexual black male operates to conjoin rape with black men in the imaginations of white people.  It strikes us as odd that this comment defines American white supremacy as &#8220;anti-black-MALE racism,&#8221; as if Black women somehow escape the vagaries of white supremacy.</p>
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		<title>By: Puntos</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-51848</link>
		<dc:creator>Puntos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Feb 2007 02:07:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-51848</guid>
		<description>I think Stan needs to look up Peter Jackson's work some more, just because he was mainly unknown within mainstream American media doesn't mean that he hasn't done some great things in movies in the past.

Wikipedia is your friend, unlike paranoia. Anyone with paranoia can come up with theories about what a movie is really about from their POV, go cry yourself to sleep IMO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Stan needs to look up Peter Jackson&#8217;s work some more, just because he was mainly unknown within mainstream American media doesn&#8217;t mean that he hasn&#8217;t done some great things in movies in the past.</p>
<p>Wikipedia is your friend, unlike paranoia. Anyone with paranoia can come up with theories about what a movie is really about from their POV, go cry yourself to sleep IMO.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-26301</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:24:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-26301</guid>
		<description>I too had an inkling and wondered about Jackson's inclinations - cite not only King Kong but also his portrayal of the "invaders" in LOTR - I couldn't believe how it so openly referenced the "yellow hordes" and referenced African physical characteristics ... it would be very interesting to track Jackson's inclinations</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too had an inkling and wondered about Jackson&#8217;s inclinations - cite not only King Kong but also his portrayal of the &#8220;invaders&#8221; in LOTR - I couldn&#8217;t believe how it so openly referenced the &#8220;yellow hordes&#8221; and referenced African physical characteristics &#8230; it would be very interesting to track Jackson&#8217;s inclinations</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Hamilton</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-18933</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Hamilton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-18933</guid>
		<description>I read these articles while doing a sociology paper on racism. Know I realize why you poor Americans are so messed up.

Clean up your own backyard first.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read these articles while doing a sociology paper on racism. Know I realize why you poor Americans are so messed up.</p>
<p>Clean up your own backyard first.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-8964</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:05:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-8964</guid>
		<description>The fact that you perpetuate the correlation between gorillas and black males only speaks to your personal issues.  NOONE I know who saw this movie saw that.  Sometimes a giant gorilla is just a giant gorilla.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that you perpetuate the correlation between gorillas and black males only speaks to your personal issues.  NOONE I know who saw this movie saw that.  Sometimes a giant gorilla is just a giant gorilla.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-8838</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jan 2006 11:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-8838</guid>
		<description>Corected version:

Huh?  Although I do not argue the whole historical and still present division between blacks and whites (read William Faulkner "Light in August," which is eerily parallel to the O.J. trial), this most recent version of King Kong has more to do with the legacy of one white woman - Diane Fossey.  Thanks to Andy Serkis' research, we had a very realistic portrayal of a Silver-back Mountain Gorilla male (Gorilla gorilla), and not a black man or human of any kind (Homo sapiens).  Kong was not a vicious blood-thirst beast, but a misunderstood intelligent animal.

I was relieved that the entire sexual interest of Kong for Darrow was removed.  Kong carried Darrow around like a boy with a Spiderman action figure, and did not "rape" her, as in previous versions.  Why would this giant gorilla have any interest in mating with this miniature human female?  Jane Goodall cited one inter-species relationship in her studies, between young baboons and gorillas, which were female.  I suggest going back and picking up "Koko's Kitten."

Eventually Ann Darrow, as portrayed by Niomi Watts, connects with Kong is Diane Fossey fashion.  This intelligent young woman, who has survived the great depression with her compassion still intact, realizes that Kong is an intelligent animal, very much alone.  And that sets in deeper with the audience, as the humans slip by the skeleton of Kong's dead companion.  Kong was the last of his kind, which was the over-riding tragedy of the movie.  "T'was beauty that killed the beast," only rang farcically at the end, which I think was Jackson's intent.

There does remain the issue of the brutality of the black pacific islanders.  Some tribal peoples are, and many are not.  Read up on the Yanamano of the Amazon, and for a balance, the Arapesh of New Guinea.  Tribal peoples are not a monolith, but as diverse as state society people (North and South Korea).  I think Jackson did make it clear that the whites (men) did match their brutality bullet per spearhead, and further.  These men took what they wanted because they could, regardless of the consequences.  This was a theme in all three versions.

The one remaining issue to me, is why did it take a blond Germanic woman to "tame" Kong, when all those black women proceeded her?  Jackson does not present enough information to pass judgment, but simply replicates the original movie here.  So the issue still remains, as to how Hollywood views the difference between whites and blacks...or Arabs...or Mediterraneans.  Maybe if Jackson had renamed it "My Big Fat Greek Gorilla," people would have found it more amusing.  What an idea for a sequel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corected version:</p>
<p>Huh?  Although I do not argue the whole historical and still present division between blacks and whites (read William Faulkner &#8220;Light in August,&#8221; which is eerily parallel to the O.J. trial), this most recent version of King Kong has more to do with the legacy of one white woman - Diane Fossey.  Thanks to Andy Serkis&#8217; research, we had a very realistic portrayal of a Silver-back Mountain Gorilla male (Gorilla gorilla), and not a black man or human of any kind (Homo sapiens).  Kong was not a vicious blood-thirst beast, but a misunderstood intelligent animal.</p>
<p>I was relieved that the entire sexual interest of Kong for Darrow was removed.  Kong carried Darrow around like a boy with a Spiderman action figure, and did not &#8220;rape&#8221; her, as in previous versions.  Why would this giant gorilla have any interest in mating with this miniature human female?  Jane Goodall cited one inter-species relationship in her studies, between young baboons and gorillas, which were female.  I suggest going back and picking up &#8220;Koko&#8217;s Kitten.&#8221;</p>
<p>Eventually Ann Darrow, as portrayed by Niomi Watts, connects with Kong is Diane Fossey fashion.  This intelligent young woman, who has survived the great depression with her compassion still intact, realizes that Kong is an intelligent animal, very much alone.  And that sets in deeper with the audience, as the humans slip by the skeleton of Kong&#8217;s dead companion.  Kong was the last of his kind, which was the over-riding tragedy of the movie.  &#8220;T&#8217;was beauty that killed the beast,&#8221; only rang farcically at the end, which I think was Jackson&#8217;s intent.</p>
<p>There does remain the issue of the brutality of the black pacific islanders.  Some tribal peoples are, and many are not.  Read up on the Yanamano of the Amazon, and for a balance, the Arapesh of New Guinea.  Tribal peoples are not a monolith, but as diverse as state society people (North and South Korea).  I think Jackson did make it clear that the whites (men) did match their brutality bullet per spearhead, and further.  These men took what they wanted because they could, regardless of the consequences.  This was a theme in all three versions.</p>
<p>The one remaining issue to me, is why did it take a blond Germanic woman to &#8220;tame&#8221; Kong, when all those black women proceeded her?  Jackson does not present enough information to pass judgment, but simply replicates the original movie here.  So the issue still remains, as to how Hollywood views the difference between whites and blacks&#8230;or Arabs&#8230;or Mediterraneans.  Maybe if Jackson had renamed it &#8220;My Big Fat Greek Gorilla,&#8221; people would have found it more amusing.  What an idea for a sequel?</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7270</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Dec 2005 18:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7270</guid>
		<description>Too bad there are those who cannot see the intersections of race and gender. [Stan, Iâ€™m just blowing some steamâ€¦feel free to delete any or all of this. Thanks]. 

You (sexist males) may not see it as explicitly (sexist), but (sexism) is so much a part of you alls culture and way of life that it becomes a given that sinks into the background and becomes an un-noticed pervasive factor in the environment, much like the sky or the very ground we walk on. You rarely even think about it because it has always been a fixture in the order of things (for instance, this sort of crap: "warfighting is natural and transcends culture").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad there are those who cannot see the intersections of race and gender. [Stan, Iâ€™m just blowing some steamâ€¦feel free to delete any or all of this. Thanks]. </p>
<p>You (sexist males) may not see it as explicitly (sexist), but (sexism) is so much a part of you alls culture and way of life that it becomes a given that sinks into the background and becomes an un-noticed pervasive factor in the environment, much like the sky or the very ground we walk on. You rarely even think about it because it has always been a fixture in the order of things (for instance, this sort of crap: &#8220;warfighting is natural and transcends culture&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7103</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 16:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7103</guid>
		<description>Here is the holla back.  There is not a shred of eivdence to support you claims.  But we could give that more time were it not for the way you are posting.  There are rules on this blog about how we communicate.

This is an antiracist blog.  The critique of white supremacy is not merley tolerated, it is strongly encouraged and permeates the whole space.  The blog author has raised three black children in the American south, belongs to a minority-white political formation, and counts revoltuionary Black nationalists among his very closest comrades and mentors.

And I have never expelled anyone for disagreeing with me.  Cripes, Ed Haywood is still sending me his silliness from Iraq!  And I still post it.

But sexist bullshit and name-calling, especially in the provocative style of blog-troll flamethrowers, is only tolerated once per person.  That means this is your last post.

Bye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is the holla back.  There is not a shred of eivdence to support you claims.  But we could give that more time were it not for the way you are posting.  There are rules on this blog about how we communicate.</p>
<p>This is an antiracist blog.  The critique of white supremacy is not merley tolerated, it is strongly encouraged and permeates the whole space.  The blog author has raised three black children in the American south, belongs to a minority-white political formation, and counts revoltuionary Black nationalists among his very closest comrades and mentors.</p>
<p>And I have never expelled anyone for disagreeing with me.  Cripes, Ed Haywood is still sending me his silliness from Iraq!  And I still post it.</p>
<p>But sexist bullshit and name-calling, especially in the provocative style of blog-troll flamethrowers, is only tolerated once per person.  That means this is your last post.</p>
<p>Bye.</p>
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		<title>By: GodAshe7</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7098</link>
		<dc:creator>GodAshe7</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Dec 2005 15:00:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7098</guid>
		<description>Rebuttal to Stan.  I am not reversing cause and effect dude.  War is as natural as sex.  As a matter of fact all anthropological evidence and the vast majority of theorhetical approaches to sociology support my proposition that the phenomenon known as "war" transcends culture, even species.  So dude, you need to get off of that idealistic default, anti-male stance made popular by the extremists of the feminist movements.  I for one will not be ashamed to have a DICK and a nice sized one at that.  If that is being phallocentric, then so be it.  Hell if anyone needs to be a bit more phallocentric it is Black Men. We of all people should know the import of preserving and promoting our phallus in a society that makes it a priority to emasculate us.  You wanna talk mythology, the volumes upon volumes of twisted and blatantly false mythologies, theologies and ideologies purported by the white male phallocentric SYSTEMS of this world have historically been the primary contributing factors at work in the development of The Crusades, Colonialism, slavery, jim crow,  the trail of tears, the tuskeegee experiments, the berlin conference, The Third Reich, hiroshima, nagasaki, cointelpro, and the INVASION &#38; MILITARY OCCUPATION of Iraq.  And true enough Capitalism is in fact a central factor of the aforementioned developments.  However, when Capitalism is at the service of white male patriarchal hegemony and is enforced by ruthless military conquest the primary factor at heart is the Ideologies fostering the mindsets of those in that hegemony.  It just so happens that exactly like the ideologies in the King Kong film, those of the white male patriarchal power structure are riddled with, (how'd you put it?)  "fluffed up racial essentialism".  Who knows better the historical credence and the anthropological validity of "man-the-hunter-fighter-fucker" story and Warfighting than white "motherfuckers".  YouknowadImSayin.

P.S.  Warfighting is just as much in yalls nature as shopping at Wal-Mart in the sense that yall see it as the most quick and convienient way to get what you want. Just Check yall history boi.

Holla Back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rebuttal to Stan.  I am not reversing cause and effect dude.  War is as natural as sex.  As a matter of fact all anthropological evidence and the vast majority of theorhetical approaches to sociology support my proposition that the phenomenon known as &#8220;war&#8221; transcends culture, even species.  So dude, you need to get off of that idealistic default, anti-male stance made popular by the extremists of the feminist movements.  I for one will not be ashamed to have a DICK and a nice sized one at that.  If that is being phallocentric, then so be it.  Hell if anyone needs to be a bit more phallocentric it is Black Men. We of all people should know the import of preserving and promoting our phallus in a society that makes it a priority to emasculate us.  You wanna talk mythology, the volumes upon volumes of twisted and blatantly false mythologies, theologies and ideologies purported by the white male phallocentric SYSTEMS of this world have historically been the primary contributing factors at work in the development of The Crusades, Colonialism, slavery, jim crow,  the trail of tears, the tuskeegee experiments, the berlin conference, The Third Reich, hiroshima, nagasaki, cointelpro, and the INVASION &amp; MILITARY OCCUPATION of Iraq.  And true enough Capitalism is in fact a central factor of the aforementioned developments.  However, when Capitalism is at the service of white male patriarchal hegemony and is enforced by ruthless military conquest the primary factor at heart is the Ideologies fostering the mindsets of those in that hegemony.  It just so happens that exactly like the ideologies in the King Kong film, those of the white male patriarchal power structure are riddled with, (how&#8217;d you put it?)  &#8220;fluffed up racial essentialism&#8221;.  Who knows better the historical credence and the anthropological validity of &#8220;man-the-hunter-fighter-fucker&#8221; story and Warfighting than white &#8220;motherfuckers&#8221;.  YouknowadImSayin.</p>
<p>P.S.  Warfighting is just as much in yalls nature as shopping at Wal-Mart in the sense that yall see it as the most quick and convienient way to get what you want. Just Check yall history boi.</p>
<p>Holla Back.</p>
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		<title>By: Film Prinze</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7043</link>
		<dc:creator>Film Prinze</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2005 01:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/09/01/king-kong-and-the-white-woman/#comment-7043</guid>
		<description>A very intelligent discussion going on. Bravo! My perspective is from a black male POV. As a college film instructor I believe Peter Jackson to be one of the most dangerously racist filmmakers in motion picture history. The question is how did a man, who had a virtually unknown career in film, get the oppportunity to direct a franchise series? Might it be that he was selected because someone knew he had a predeliction for racist filmmaking?

What is clear about Jackson is that his product so far perpetrates a racist agenda for the Hollywood oligarchy. At a time when America is waging war against yet another nation inhabited by people of color, films like the Rings triology and Kong offer palatable ways for American consumers to: 

1. engage in racist fantasies at the most primordal psychosexual level (Kong)
2. have the dominant white male patriarchal society reinforced and (LOR and Kong)
3. as exampled by the white Messiah theme of LOR III, provide a religious based rationale for imperialism.

Do not underestimate the serious psychological reconstruction work that films like King Kong perform on the American filmgoers' psyche.

The person who posted the information that Kong is a stand in for the Kongo is right on the mark. Jackson's racism also is a stand in: for greater forces which seek to further the domination of the white male hegemony while simultaneously soothing post 9/11 American anxieties during this national "state of emergency." Racism is like opium, once you get a taste, you can never get enough. What better way to dull the senses, desensitize our feelings to allow the war slaughter to continue, than by reverting to an old stand by, old fashioned pre-WW II racist movie making?

RP</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very intelligent discussion going on. Bravo! My perspective is from a black male POV. As a college film instructor I believe Peter Jackson to be one of the most dangerously racist filmmakers in motion picture history. The question is how did a man, who had a virtually unknown career in film, get the oppportunity to direct a franchise series? Might it be that he was selected because someone knew he had a predeliction for racist filmmaking?</p>
<p>What is clear about Jackson is that his product so far perpetrates a racist agenda for the Hollywood oligarchy. At a time when America is waging war against yet another nation inhabited by people of color, films like the Rings triology and Kong offer palatable ways for American consumers to: </p>
<p>1. engage in racist fantasies at the most primordal psychosexual level (Kong)<br />
2. have the dominant white male patriarchal society reinforced and (LOR and Kong)<br />
3. as exampled by the white Messiah theme of LOR III, provide a religious based rationale for imperialism.</p>
<p>Do not underestimate the serious psychological reconstruction work that films like King Kong perform on the American filmgoers&#8217; psyche.</p>
<p>The person who posted the information that Kong is a stand in for the Kongo is right on the mark. Jackson&#8217;s racism also is a stand in: for greater forces which seek to further the domination of the white male hegemony while simultaneously soothing post 9/11 American anxieties during this national &#8220;state of emergency.&#8221; Racism is like opium, once you get a taste, you can never get enough. What better way to dull the senses, desensitize our feelings to allow the war slaughter to continue, than by reverting to an old stand by, old fashioned pre-WW II racist movie making?</p>
<p>RP</p>
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