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		<title>By: Cris</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-9691</link>
		<dc:creator>Cris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chavez is the man of this century. He will free all latin america. You must go to Venezuela to see freedon, democracy and hope. The Man is an example of courage. He's the leader that doesn't afraid nothing nor nobody.
It's a shame what some international and  "national american" press does to him.
Best Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chavez is the man of this century. He will free all latin america. You must go to Venezuela to see freedon, democracy and hope. The Man is an example of courage. He&#8217;s the leader that doesn&#8217;t afraid nothing nor nobody.<br />
It&#8217;s a shame what some international and  &#8220;national american&#8221; press does to him.<br />
Best Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:44:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am pasting in a most excellent set of remarks from the same Joaquin from a debate on www.marxmail.org on the roles of parties and the bases of sectarianism, as they relate to Venezuela (and to us all).  He does a fine job, as always, of patiently explaining one of my own pet peaves, the deification of a particualr dead communist and the inability of many leftists to recognize how (philospophcially) idealistic their practice can be.  Here's Joaquin:

Josh writes, "There are a lot of people on this list who come out of the
Trotskyist tradition and now hate Trotskyists.  They don't have a
unitary or coherent critique, you have a bunch of individuals saying
very different things, but I'd say in general they share a formal,
undialectical approach - they take the decrepit state of Trotskyist
groups today, which for the most part simply reflects the decrepit
disarray of the working class movement, and they throw really nasty
attacks at a hard communist political tradition that is trying to hang
on for dear life in a period where just doing that is worthy of praise."

I don't think Josh has understood the reasons why some of us are
expressing concern, and it has nothing to do with hating the Trotskyist
tradition or that today Trotskyist groups are decrepit or whatever. 

Quite the contrary, for my part I think that Trotsky's analysis and
critique of the degeneration of the Soviet bureaucratic process is an
extremely important contribution to Marxism, and that in the main he was right in his opposition to the Comintern's policies in both the
ultraleft "Third Period" (leading up to Hitler's taking control of
Germany) and in the following "Popular Front" approach (following
Hitler's victory). 

It has to do with the method of creating small groupings whose
boundaries are defined by ideological concerns, and which, experience
shows, wind up being counterposed to the actual class movement and the maturation of an advanced layer of fighters of that class movement.

I criticize that approach as an *idealist* approach, i.e., one based on
ideas, rather than being a materialist one that tries to base itself on
the movement and evolution of actual social forces, and I believe it
leads not to the creation of parties but of *sects*. And it should be
noted this is not at all a specifically Trotskyist problem but rather a
generally "Leninist" one, by which I mean not something having to do
with Lenin but rather with the post-1917 (and actually mostly post-1924, when Lenin died) theory of the magical powers of "the Leninist Party," a wizardly instrument supposedly invented or discovered by Lenin, "a party of a new type," and all you have to do is build it and the socialist revolution will come. 

This sect-type formation coupled with the idea of "the Leninist Party"
or "the indispensable programmatic nucleus" thereof, leads directly to
cultism, the cult of the organization in the first instance, then the
cult of leaders all the way to phenomena so bizarre that their study
belongs more properly in the field of social pathology than that of
politics.

Coupled with this is that Lenin came up with this scheme of organization because he discovered that the communists are the most advanced, forward-looking layer of the working class, the "vanguard of the proletariat," something supposedly hitherto unknown.

Lenin made no such claims about the Bolshevik Party nor is that how he played the role he did in the building of that party, by starting with
an a-priori concept of what the party should be like and a dogma about all sorts of "principles" then molding reality to fit into that shape.
Quite the contrary, his orientation was to strengthening the Russian
Social Democratic Labor Party as an "all inclusive" party. It was only
when the evolution of various currents made plain that the Mensheviks
would build, not a real workers party, but a workers' auxiliary to the
bourgeois parties, a bourgeois "workers" party, as he later called them,
that he would have disclaimed "all inclusiveness" and even then, the
exclusion was of the strictly bourgeois Menshevik current, his idea was
never that the party should be homogeneous around a whole body of
doctrine.

As for it being the "vanguard" party, you'll find references to the
(pre-1914) Social Democracy being the vanguard of the working class in writings by all sorts of socialists of those days, including Kautsky,
Luxembourg and many others. It would not have occurred to Lenin claiming to have "discovered" this role because it was already very clearly explained in the Communist Manifesto.

"The Communists ... are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the
advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions,
and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement."

Yet in the Manifesto, the founders of our movement warn specifically
against what today we would call "vanguardism," the course that these
comrades in Venezuela appear to be on: 

"In what relation do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a
whole?

"The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other
working-class parties. 

"They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. 

"They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to
shape and mould the proletarian movement."

As I've written on this list many times in the past, how Marx and Engels
understood this is shown by their actual practice, and specifically by
the dissolution of the Communist League in early 1848, only a few weeks after those lines were penned. With the emergence of a revolution and the masses taking the stage of history as its protagonists, they dissolved their pre-existing, full-program, propaganda organization in order to better integrate themselves into the actual *democratic* movement that had emerged and help promote the cohering of its most insistent, proletarian in all but name, left wing. 

Those are examples that are very applicable to the Venezuelan case, as I explained in the post I sent a couple of days ago, because Marx and
Engels activities were guided by the concept of "permanent revolution,"
the evolution of the revolutionary process from one that started around
a limited number of democratizing aims to a revolution that would bring the working class to power and challenge the foundations of capitalism itself, a socialist revolution.

Josh complains that Louis and I and others who agree with us don't
criticize the SEIU or AFSCME bureaucracy, the NGO's and non-profits,
etc., in the same way that we do those who identify as Trotskyists and
so on. There is a very simple explanation, and it's got nothing to do
with red-baiting or anti-communism. It is, quite simply, that there's no
pretense on the part of the labor or non-profiteer bureaucracy that
theirs is the road to the abolition of capitalism, to the end once and
for all of exploitation, imperialism, etc. On the contrary those folks
all *accept* society as it is and seek at most palliative reforms. And
of course I'm not talking here about one or another revolutionary minded union or non profit officeholder, but about these layers viewed as a whole. Our debate is not with them, it is in the camp of
*revolutionaries,* those who would abolish this system, those who are
like us. 

The debate is about what is the role and proper activity of
revolutionaries, about what is to be done to advance the revolutionary
cause. 

This problem, treating Marxism as a rigid doctrine has plagued the
communist movement for more than 100 years. You can read Engels's
complaints in his letters to Sorge about the course followed by those
who viewed themselves as Marx and Engels's followers in the United
States and how they had transformed Marxism into an "all saving dogma" --I think that was the phrase-- you will see that this predates the Comintern by quite a bit, so it isn't like it was a phenomenon Marx and Engels were unaware of. And I suspect that tendency was there from the outset, which is why Engels is so careful in a polemic he wrote in 1847, at the very time he and Marx were also drafting the Manifesto, to say:

"Herr Heinzen imagines communism is a certain doctrine which proceeds from a definite theoretical principle as its core and draws further conclusions from that. Herr Heinzen is very much mistaken. Communism is not a doctrine but a movement; it proceeds not from principles but from facts. The Communists do not base themselves on this or that philosophy as their point of departure but on the whole course of previous history and specifically its actual results in the civilised countries at the present time. Communism has followed from large-scale industry and its consequences, from the establishment of the world market, of the concomitant uninhibited competition, ever more violent and more universal trade crises, which have already become fully fledged crises of the world market, from the creation of the proletariat and the concentration of capital, from the ensuing class struggle between proletariat and bourgeoisie. Communism, insofar as it is a theory, is the theoretical expression of the position of the proletariat in this struggle and the theoretical summation of the conditions for the liberation of the proletariat."

This characteristic of communist ideas, that they are the theoretical
expression of an actual class movement, is what people who set up these dogmatic and idealist groups --especially in the midst of great
revolutions-- don't appreciate. In a situation like that prevailing in
the United States, where the class movement is so atomized it scarcely
merits the name movement, the existence of socialist sects is to a
certain extent justifiable and even inevitable, and these propaganda
groupings can play a positive role in keeping alive socialist ideas,
proposing and modeling an alternative course in the unions, the social
movements and overall political life generally. This is best done if the
group has no pretensions about being "the" party, "the" keeper of the
sacred flame, "the" preserver of the revealed truth, but, frankly, even
groups which are quite hopelessly sectarian can play, in part, this good
role.

But the task of communists in Venezuela is not to win a few individuals
over to the cause on the basis of intellectual arguments, but rather to
aid in the maturation of the powerful revolutionary movement that has
already emerged, and one of whose distinctive weaknesses is its failure
thus far to cohere into a more structured organized form. Clearly this
is one of the reasons why President Chavez and the team around him, who are indisputably the central leadership of this overall movement, have launched this discussion about creating a forward-looking socialist vision for the XXIst Century, to try to overcome the existing
fragmentation and dispersal of revolutionary forces in multiple
organizations based on divisions inherited from the past. The existence of a multiplicity of groups isn't a good thing: they vie with each other for influence, posts, etc., and tend to do things to build their own specific organization that turn out to be not necessarily in the interests of the movement as a whole, because they unnecessarily
complicate or delay certain processes.

From this point of view, is the launching of a youth organization by the Trotskyists, or one of the Trotskyist currents, really the best way to
proceed? Is this their understanding of re-inventing socialism for the
XXI Century, placing at the heart of their organizations an ideological
commitment to a whole series of positions about things that happened in the distant past? Wouldn't it be much better to have discussions of
those lessons, insofar as they are relevant, in the framework of an
overall united movement of revolutionary youth, and with the focus being on what to do next, and what strategic course to follow, rather than on whether the POUM in Spain in 1934 was centrist or not, what people in Germany should have been doing in 1932 and so on?

Everyone wants to focus on the good old days, where the actions and
writings of your favorite saints and sinners make clear the road to
follow. But --especially in Venezuela-- these ARE the good old days, the future is vast an uncharted, a wilderness without any road whatever. The road needs to be made by walking, and the road that needs to be made is NOT the Trotskyist or Maoist or Leninist road, but the road of the Bolivarian Revolution and the socialism of the XXI Century, and it can only be made by social forces, the concerted action of Venezuela's working people, not groups that isolate themselves from the main body of marchers and especially the lead contingent by organizing a sect around an ideological dogma.

JoaquÃ­n</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am pasting in a most excellent set of remarks from the same Joaquin from a debate on <a href="http://www.marxmail.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.marxmail.org</a> on the roles of parties and the bases of sectarianism, as they relate to Venezuela (and to us all).  He does a fine job, as always, of patiently explaining one of my own pet peaves, the deification of a particualr dead communist and the inability of many leftists to recognize how (philospophcially) idealistic their practice can be.  Here&#8217;s Joaquin:</p>
<p>Josh writes, &#8220;There are a lot of people on this list who come out of the<br />
Trotskyist tradition and now hate Trotskyists.  They don&#8217;t have a<br />
unitary or coherent critique, you have a bunch of individuals saying<br />
very different things, but I&#8217;d say in general they share a formal,<br />
undialectical approach - they take the decrepit state of Trotskyist<br />
groups today, which for the most part simply reflects the decrepit<br />
disarray of the working class movement, and they throw really nasty<br />
attacks at a hard communist political tradition that is trying to hang<br />
on for dear life in a period where just doing that is worthy of praise.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Josh has understood the reasons why some of us are<br />
expressing concern, and it has nothing to do with hating the Trotskyist<br />
tradition or that today Trotskyist groups are decrepit or whatever. </p>
<p>Quite the contrary, for my part I think that Trotsky&#8217;s analysis and<br />
critique of the degeneration of the Soviet bureaucratic process is an<br />
extremely important contribution to Marxism, and that in the main he was right in his opposition to the Comintern&#8217;s policies in both the<br />
ultraleft &#8220;Third Period&#8221; (leading up to Hitler&#8217;s taking control of<br />
Germany) and in the following &#8220;Popular Front&#8221; approach (following<br />
Hitler&#8217;s victory). </p>
<p>It has to do with the method of creating small groupings whose<br />
boundaries are defined by ideological concerns, and which, experience<br />
shows, wind up being counterposed to the actual class movement and the maturation of an advanced layer of fighters of that class movement.</p>
<p>I criticize that approach as an *idealist* approach, i.e., one based on<br />
ideas, rather than being a materialist one that tries to base itself on<br />
the movement and evolution of actual social forces, and I believe it<br />
leads not to the creation of parties but of *sects*. And it should be<br />
noted this is not at all a specifically Trotskyist problem but rather a<br />
generally &#8220;Leninist&#8221; one, by which I mean not something having to do<br />
with Lenin but rather with the post-1917 (and actually mostly post-1924, when Lenin died) theory of the magical powers of &#8220;the Leninist Party,&#8221; a wizardly instrument supposedly invented or discovered by Lenin, &#8220;a party of a new type,&#8221; and all you have to do is build it and the socialist revolution will come. </p>
<p>This sect-type formation coupled with the idea of &#8220;the Leninist Party&#8221;<br />
or &#8220;the indispensable programmatic nucleus&#8221; thereof, leads directly to<br />
cultism, the cult of the organization in the first instance, then the<br />
cult of leaders all the way to phenomena so bizarre that their study<br />
belongs more properly in the field of social pathology than that of<br />
politics.</p>
<p>Coupled with this is that Lenin came up with this scheme of organization because he discovered that the communists are the most advanced, forward-looking layer of the working class, the &#8220;vanguard of the proletariat,&#8221; something supposedly hitherto unknown.</p>
<p>Lenin made no such claims about the Bolshevik Party nor is that how he played the role he did in the building of that party, by starting with<br />
an a-priori concept of what the party should be like and a dogma about all sorts of &#8220;principles&#8221; then molding reality to fit into that shape.<br />
Quite the contrary, his orientation was to strengthening the Russian<br />
Social Democratic Labor Party as an &#8220;all inclusive&#8221; party. It was only<br />
when the evolution of various currents made plain that the Mensheviks<br />
would build, not a real workers party, but a workers&#8217; auxiliary to the<br />
bourgeois parties, a bourgeois &#8220;workers&#8221; party, as he later called them,<br />
that he would have disclaimed &#8220;all inclusiveness&#8221; and even then, the<br />
exclusion was of the strictly bourgeois Menshevik current, his idea was<br />
never that the party should be homogeneous around a whole body of<br />
doctrine.</p>
<p>As for it being the &#8220;vanguard&#8221; party, you&#8217;ll find references to the<br />
(pre-1914) Social Democracy being the vanguard of the working class in writings by all sorts of socialists of those days, including Kautsky,<br />
Luxembourg and many others. It would not have occurred to Lenin claiming to have &#8220;discovered&#8221; this role because it was already very clearly explained in the Communist Manifesto.</p>
<p>&#8220;The Communists &#8230; are on the one hand, practically, the most advanced and resolute section of the working-class parties of every country, that section which pushes forward all others; on the other hand, theoretically, they have over the great mass of the proletariat the<br />
advantage of clearly understanding the lines of march, the conditions,<br />
and the ultimate general results of the proletarian movement.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yet in the Manifesto, the founders of our movement warn specifically<br />
against what today we would call &#8220;vanguardism,&#8221; the course that these<br />
comrades in Venezuela appear to be on: </p>
<p>&#8220;In what relation do the Communists stand to the proletarians as a<br />
whole?</p>
<p>&#8220;The Communists do not form a separate party opposed to the other<br />
working-class parties. </p>
<p>&#8220;They have no interests separate and apart from those of the proletariat as a whole. </p>
<p>&#8220;They do not set up any sectarian principles of their own, by which to<br />
shape and mould the proletarian movement.&#8221;</p>
<p>As I&#8217;ve written on this list many times in the past, how Marx and Engels<br />
understood this is shown by their actual practice, and specifically by<br />
the dissolution of the Communist League in early 1848, only a few weeks after those lines were penned. With the emergence of a revolution and the masses taking the stage of history as its protagonists, they dissolved their pre-existing, full-program, propaganda organization in order to better integrate themselves into the actual *democratic* movement that had emerged and help promote the cohering of its most insistent, proletarian in all but name, left wing. </p>
<p>Those are examples that are very applicable to the Venezuelan case, as I explained in the post I sent a couple of days ago, because Marx and<br />
Engels activities were guided by the concept of &#8220;permanent revolution,&#8221;<br />
the evolution of the revolutionary process from one that started around<br />
a limited number of democratizing aims to a revolution that would bring the working class to power and challenge the foundations of capitalism itself, a socialist revolution.</p>
<p>Josh complains that Louis and I and others who agree with us don&#8217;t<br />
criticize the SEIU or AFSCME bureaucracy, the NGO&#8217;s and non-profits,<br />
etc., in the same way that we do those who identify as Trotskyists and<br />
so on. There is a very simple explanation, and it&#8217;s got nothing to do<br />
with red-baiting or anti-communism. It is, quite simply, that there&#8217;s no<br />
pretense on the part of the labor or non-profiteer bureaucracy that<br />
theirs is the road to the abolition of capitalism, to the end once and<br />
for all of exploitation, imperialism, etc. On the contrary those folks<br />
all *accept* society as it is and seek at most palliative reforms. And<br />
of course I&#8217;m not talking here about one or another revolutionary minded union or non profit officeholder, but about these layers viewed as a whole. Our debate is not with them, it is in the camp of<br />
*revolutionaries,* those who would abolish this system, those who are<br />
like us. </p>
<p>The debate is about what is the role and proper activity of<br />
revolutionaries, about what is to be done to advance the revolutionary<br />
cause. </p>
<p>This problem, treating Marxism as a rigid doctrine has plagued the<br />
communist movement for more than 100 years. You can read Engels&#8217;s<br />
complaints in his letters to Sorge about the course followed by those<br />
who viewed themselves as Marx and Engels&#8217;s followers in the United<br />
States and how they had transformed Marxism into an &#8220;all saving dogma&#8221; &#8211;I think that was the phrase&#8211; you will see that this predates the Comintern by quite a bit, so it isn&#8217;t like it was a phenomenon Marx and Engels were unaware of. And I suspect that tendency was there from the outset, which is why Engels is so careful in a polemic he wrote in 1847, at the very time he and Marx were also drafting the Manifesto, to say:</p>
<p>&#8220;Herr Heinzen imagines communism is a certain doctrine which proceeds from a definite theoretical principle as its core and draws further conclusions from that. Herr Heinzen is very much mistaken. Communism is not a doctrine but a movement; it proceeds not from principles but from facts. The Communists do not base themselves on this or that philosophy as their point of departure but on the whole course of previous history and specifically its actual results in the civilised countries at the present time. Communism has followed from large-scale industry and its consequences, from the establishment of the world market, of the concomitant uninhibited competition, ever more violent and more universal trade crises, which have already become fully fledged crises of the world market, from the creation of the proletariat and the concentration of capital, from the ensuing class struggle between proletariat and bourgeoisie. Communism, insofar as it is a theory, is the theoretical expression of the position of the proletariat in this struggle and the theoretical summation of the conditions for the liberation of the proletariat.&#8221;</p>
<p>This characteristic of communist ideas, that they are the theoretical<br />
expression of an actual class movement, is what people who set up these dogmatic and idealist groups &#8211;especially in the midst of great<br />
revolutions&#8211; don&#8217;t appreciate. In a situation like that prevailing in<br />
the United States, where the class movement is so atomized it scarcely<br />
merits the name movement, the existence of socialist sects is to a<br />
certain extent justifiable and even inevitable, and these propaganda<br />
groupings can play a positive role in keeping alive socialist ideas,<br />
proposing and modeling an alternative course in the unions, the social<br />
movements and overall political life generally. This is best done if the<br />
group has no pretensions about being &#8220;the&#8221; party, &#8220;the&#8221; keeper of the<br />
sacred flame, &#8220;the&#8221; preserver of the revealed truth, but, frankly, even<br />
groups which are quite hopelessly sectarian can play, in part, this good<br />
role.</p>
<p>But the task of communists in Venezuela is not to win a few individuals<br />
over to the cause on the basis of intellectual arguments, but rather to<br />
aid in the maturation of the powerful revolutionary movement that has<br />
already emerged, and one of whose distinctive weaknesses is its failure<br />
thus far to cohere into a more structured organized form. Clearly this<br />
is one of the reasons why President Chavez and the team around him, who are indisputably the central leadership of this overall movement, have launched this discussion about creating a forward-looking socialist vision for the XXIst Century, to try to overcome the existing<br />
fragmentation and dispersal of revolutionary forces in multiple<br />
organizations based on divisions inherited from the past. The existence of a multiplicity of groups isn&#8217;t a good thing: they vie with each other for influence, posts, etc., and tend to do things to build their own specific organization that turn out to be not necessarily in the interests of the movement as a whole, because they unnecessarily<br />
complicate or delay certain processes.</p>
<p>From this point of view, is the launching of a youth organization by the Trotskyists, or one of the Trotskyist currents, really the best way to<br />
proceed? Is this their understanding of re-inventing socialism for the<br />
XXI Century, placing at the heart of their organizations an ideological<br />
commitment to a whole series of positions about things that happened in the distant past? Wouldn&#8217;t it be much better to have discussions of<br />
those lessons, insofar as they are relevant, in the framework of an<br />
overall united movement of revolutionary youth, and with the focus being on what to do next, and what strategic course to follow, rather than on whether the POUM in Spain in 1934 was centrist or not, what people in Germany should have been doing in 1932 and so on?</p>
<p>Everyone wants to focus on the good old days, where the actions and<br />
writings of your favorite saints and sinners make clear the road to<br />
follow. But &#8211;especially in Venezuela&#8211; these ARE the good old days, the future is vast an uncharted, a wilderness without any road whatever. The road needs to be made by walking, and the road that needs to be made is NOT the Trotskyist or Maoist or Leninist road, but the road of the Bolivarian Revolution and the socialism of the XXI Century, and it can only be made by social forces, the concerted action of Venezuela&#8217;s working people, not groups that isolate themselves from the main body of marchers and especially the lead contingent by organizing a sect around an ideological dogma.</p>
<p>JoaquÃ­n</p>
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ChÃ¡vez's speech in Mar del Plata was, like always, a long song of hope. I see this man talking WITH people, not to them.
People were listening under the drizzle, and then the youth began to jump, jump, jump, while chanting. And Chavez looked at them and said: "Well, now I understand why the Argentinians are so thin!" And he started to jump too, smiling. You can easily see that heâ€™s something different, brave and human in the worldâ€™s politics.
I'm happy of being young and healthy at this moment of the Latin-American history. Maybe we are, little by little, curing our veins
Regards</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ChÃ¡vez&#8217;s speech in Mar del Plata was, like always, a long song of hope. I see this man talking WITH people, not to them.<br />
People were listening under the drizzle, and then the youth began to jump, jump, jump, while chanting. And Chavez looked at them and said: &#8220;Well, now I understand why the Argentinians are so thin!&#8221; And he started to jump too, smiling. You can easily see that heâ€™s something different, brave and human in the worldâ€™s politics.<br />
I&#8217;m happy of being young and healthy at this moment of the Latin-American history. Maybe we are, little by little, curing our veins<br />
Regards</p>
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		<title>By: Ceabaird</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5153</link>
		<dc:creator>Ceabaird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 06:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5153</guid>
		<description>I think that the book "The Forever War" was written by a Viet Nam Vet (Joe Haldeman).  May be why you picked up on the VN links.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the book &#8220;The Forever War&#8221; was written by a Viet Nam Vet (Joe Haldeman).  May be why you picked up on the VN links.</p>
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		<title>By: howard</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5147</link>
		<dc:creator>howard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Nov 2005 04:40:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5147</guid>
		<description>"paracaidista" is also slang (in Northern Mexico anyway and Texas) for people (usually full-time wage earners BTW) in neighborhoods of plywood shacks (cause they "parachuted in" from the countryside)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;paracaidista&#8221; is also slang (in Northern Mexico anyway and Texas) for people (usually full-time wage earners BTW) in neighborhoods of plywood shacks (cause they &#8220;parachuted in&#8221; from the countryside)</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5084</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 06:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5084</guid>
		<description>CL:

Heh!  Sounds like its actually the first one then.  I own a video store, so these days Airborne delivers my goodies on Fridays.

Haven't done the other thing for quite a while now.  Oh yeah, and I don't remember there ever being such thing as a perfectly good Herc', especially after the workout the CIA gave them in...oops...are we live here?  Is this thing on?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CL:</p>
<p>Heh!  Sounds like its actually the first one then.  I own a video store, so these days Airborne delivers my goodies on Fridays.</p>
<p>Haven&#8217;t done the other thing for quite a while now.  Oh yeah, and I don&#8217;t remember there ever being such thing as a perfectly good Herc&#8217;, especially after the workout the CIA gave them in&#8230;oops&#8230;are we live here?  Is this thing on?</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5074</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Nov 2005 02:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5074</guid>
		<description>Pero yo salto generalmente de la puerta derecha.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pero yo salto generalmente de la puerta derecha.</p>
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		<title>By: CL</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5070</link>
		<dc:creator>CL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5070</guid>
		<description>Ed,
Now you're gettin' it! ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed,<br />
Now you&#8217;re gettin&#8217; it! <img src='http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5067</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:39:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5067</guid>
		<description>Siempre la izquierda.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Siempre la izquierda.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5062</link>
		<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2005/11/05/al-carajo-from-comrade-joaquin/#comment-5062</guid>
		<description>Evidentemente,solamente esos paracaidistas que saltan la puerta izquierda son buenos. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Evidentemente,solamente esos paracaidistas que saltan la puerta izquierda son buenos. <img src='http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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