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	<title>Comments on: Duke Rape - from Biting Beaver</title>
	<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/</link>
	<description>Making the Connections</description>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-23892</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the New Yorker, a piece about the Duke case; the issue seems to have fallen off the radar.
What's the deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the New Yorker, a piece about the Duke case; the issue seems to have fallen off the radar.<br />
What&#8217;s the deal?</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-13059</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 17:55:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-13059</guid>
		<description>More opinion on the Duke case-issues of entitlement,privilege put down here-good stuff; meanwhile, waiting for the third indictment:

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article361314.ece

be well everyone,

frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More opinion on the Duke case-issues of entitlement,privilege put down here-good stuff; meanwhile, waiting for the third indictment:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article361314.ece" rel="nofollow">http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/article361314.ece</a></p>
<p>be well everyone,</p>
<p>frank</p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12792</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 07:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12792</guid>
		<description>DeAnander-
I googled "duke rape"- so, I get a content based webpage with various stories.

Truthfully, deAnander, that's all I know from where I'm at. Originally, a friend of mine asked me if I'd heard what happened. Then i tuned in to this blog and with that info, and a hunch, cmon...the jackasses are racist and g____..
folks, I'm really tryin to be objective here- this woman's life has been changed forever-not to mention..........- so, the shit needs to stop. And short of arming the ladies, and leting them take care of business themselves, from where I'm at it's news AND a motivating factor- I'm learning. HA!! A good friend of mine, recently brokeup with his lady is pissed and says something and i give 'em the sideways glance, and he says, "I know, you're a feminist" And he knows ALL ABOUT it. So, if i continue to be serious about it, perhaps he'll change his mode of thinking back to what he knows is right and fair.

frankyeyes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DeAnander-<br />
I googled &#8220;duke rape&#8221;- so, I get a content based webpage with various stories.</p>
<p>Truthfully, deAnander, that&#8217;s all I know from where I&#8217;m at. Originally, a friend of mine asked me if I&#8217;d heard what happened. Then i tuned in to this blog and with that info, and a hunch, cmon&#8230;the jackasses are racist and g____..<br />
folks, I&#8217;m really tryin to be objective here- this woman&#8217;s life has been changed forever-not to mention&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.- so, the shit needs to stop. And short of arming the ladies, and leting them take care of business themselves, from where I&#8217;m at it&#8217;s news AND a motivating factor- I&#8217;m learning. HA!! A good friend of mine, recently brokeup with his lady is pissed and says something and i give &#8216;em the sideways glance, and he says, &#8220;I know, you&#8217;re a feminist&#8221; And he knows ALL ABOUT it. So, if i continue to be serious about it, perhaps he&#8217;ll change his mode of thinking back to what he knows is right and fair.</p>
<p>frankyeyes</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12778</link>
		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:44:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12778</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;ABC News also obtained an audio recording in which a female security guard, who possibly was the first person to see the alleged victim, said she did not mention anything about a rape and that there were no signs that a sexual assault occurred.

"There ain't no way she was raped â€” ain't no way, no way that happened," the guard purportedly tells a private investigator in the recording, ABC News reported. The guard had called 911, after which police found the alleged victim at a grocery store parking lot, where the guard was working.

The tape was recorded April 3, three weeks after the alleged sexual assault, ABC News reported. On the tape, the guard says she called 911 after a driver of a car entered the grocery store and said that a woman â€” the alleged victim â€” refused to get out of her car.

The guard said the driver said she picked up the alleged victim, whom she had never met, after hearing people yell racial slurs at her as she was walking down the street, ABC News reported.

The guard further says on the tape that she smelled alcohol on the driver , but not the alleged victim, and that the alleged victim was unable to talk, ABC News said. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

"She didn't mention anything about a rape" so there could not have been one, yet "she was unable to talk"???  would someone like to get the story straight here?  and you can tell if a woman has been raped just by looking at her?  and the first thing a woman is gonna say to a total stranger in uniform is, "Hi there, I've just been raped by a bunch of preppie college boys, and I was in their frat house stripping for them because I need the money"?  and maybe she refused to get out of the other woman's car because she was in mild shock and/or terrified?  hell-o?

&lt;a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12289760/" rel="nofollow"&gt;you gotta wonder about the state of reporting in the MSM&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>ABC News also obtained an audio recording in which a female security guard, who possibly was the first person to see the alleged victim, said she did not mention anything about a rape and that there were no signs that a sexual assault occurred.</p>
<p>&#8220;There ain&#8217;t no way she was raped â€” ain&#8217;t no way, no way that happened,&#8221; the guard purportedly tells a private investigator in the recording, ABC News reported. The guard had called 911, after which police found the alleged victim at a grocery store parking lot, where the guard was working.</p>
<p>The tape was recorded April 3, three weeks after the alleged sexual assault, ABC News reported. On the tape, the guard says she called 911 after a driver of a car entered the grocery store and said that a woman â€” the alleged victim â€” refused to get out of her car.</p>
<p>The guard said the driver said she picked up the alleged victim, whom she had never met, after hearing people yell racial slurs at her as she was walking down the street, ABC News reported.</p>
<p>The guard further says on the tape that she smelled alcohol on the driver , but not the alleged victim, and that the alleged victim was unable to talk, ABC News said. </p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;She didn&#8217;t mention anything about a rape&#8221; so there could not have been one, yet &#8220;she was unable to talk&#8221;???  would someone like to get the story straight here?  and you can tell if a woman has been raped just by looking at her?  and the first thing a woman is gonna say to a total stranger in uniform is, &#8220;Hi there, I&#8217;ve just been raped by a bunch of preppie college boys, and I was in their frat house stripping for them because I need the money&#8221;?  and maybe she refused to get out of the other woman&#8217;s car because she was in mild shock and/or terrified?  hell-o?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12289760/" rel="nofollow">you gotta wonder about the state of reporting in the MSM</a></p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12777</link>
		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12777</guid>
		<description>hey Other Frank, where's the url for indictment story?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey Other Frank, where&#8217;s the url for indictment story?</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12776</link>
		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Apr 2006 00:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12776</guid>
		<description>&lt;a href="http://www.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2006/04/20/the-duke-rape-case-the-angry-white-guys/" rel="nofollow"&gt;I beginnning to have suspicions about cap-F-Frank's demographic&lt;/a&gt;...

meanwhile male bloggers continue to wonder naively about the reality of those wacky Untermenschen... "I don't see much of a psychological link to [between] gay bashing and rape."  says one &lt;a href="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/04/duke_rape_case__1.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;defensive schmuck&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.republicoft.com/index.php/archives/2006/04/20/the-duke-rape-case-the-angry-white-guys/" rel="nofollow">I beginnning to have suspicions about cap-F-Frank&#8217;s demographic</a>&#8230;</p>
<p>meanwhile male bloggers continue to wonder naively about the reality of those wacky Untermenschen&#8230; &#8220;I don&#8217;t see much of a psychological link to [between] gay bashing and rape.&#8221;  says one <a href="http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2006/04/duke_rape_case__1.html" rel="nofollow">defensive schmuck</a></p>
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		<title>By: frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12765</link>
		<dc:creator>frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 23:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12765</guid>
		<description>According to a news report dated today, two of the punks who have so far been implicated in this vile act have been indicted for crimes in the first degree based on conclusive evidence, just as I suspected; a good thing, but how good for the victim?
What about the "PTSD-affected" poor bastard in Italy? Is he being punished for his crime? I certainly hope so. Let him stare at the walls and think about what he did to that woman for a long time, not that it'll do her any real justice.

from the OTHER frank</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to a news report dated today, two of the punks who have so far been implicated in this vile act have been indicted for crimes in the first degree based on conclusive evidence, just as I suspected; a good thing, but how good for the victim?<br />
What about the &#8220;PTSD-affected&#8221; poor bastard in Italy? Is he being punished for his crime? I certainly hope so. Let him stare at the walls and think about what he did to that woman for a long time, not that it&#8217;ll do her any real justice.</p>
<p>from the OTHER frank</p>
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		<title>By: Frank</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12759</link>
		<dc:creator>Frank</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 20:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12759</guid>
		<description>I never implyed she or any women could not be raped repeatly However I unlike you do not take everything I hear a fact. And I still stick with the statement when the truth comes out and she is proven to be telling a tale for her own gain then I will say shame on you for the sake of women who have gone through what she is claiming. So go and delete my comments if you wish to delete the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never implyed she or any women could not be raped repeatly However I unlike you do not take everything I hear a fact. And I still stick with the statement when the truth comes out and she is proven to be telling a tale for her own gain then I will say shame on you for the sake of women who have gone through what she is claiming. So go and delete my comments if you wish to delete the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaina</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12755</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12755</guid>
		<description>I'm always amazed at the cognitive dissonance of men who refuse to see the way that women experience sexual abuse and assault-- it happens in a continuum, just as BB talks about in her post about her story. It's not all concrete X+X devided by pi happened and so it equals rape, but if you take away the variable X and add A or times it by Y then you have something other than rape. 

There is no "formula" for rape.  There is not an effective way to even describe it, one that encompasses all it's effects and implications, under libertarian law; much less any sort of effective means of combatting it.  The white man's law is not set up to protect ANYONE from the white man, it's set up to ensure that the white man gets his, even if it hurts, and to ensure that we're all laid out for his use, and that when he goes too, too far, he might get a slap on the wrist if he can't afford a good lawyer, but we're made damn sure to know that it was never really his fault that anything happened.  Jesus fucking christ.  

The material reality of rape and porn culture, the way that rape and abuse really happens in our lives, it doesn't work that way.  And I'm not gonna rely on some male-centric-male-defined idea of what the "court" or the "media" deems rape or abuse to be.   

I guess it shouldn't be so "amazing" since most of the people who rape and abuse are men, and in many cases would be considered "normal" men, not drooling mythical monsters.  

But it is.  What amazes me is the audacity of the claims, the blatant disregard for material reality, the finger waved at the shit that THEY DO themselves, that they might have just done five minutes ago.

Nobody wants to believe that all this weird shit has happened to us.  I get that whole "your life should be a book" commentary- which is a mild way of saying that what I'm telling is unbelievable- and while I might have been through some shit it's NOTHING, it's miniscule and it's kinda like a picnic when I hear stories from other women.  

I believe these stories.  I don't doubt their happening at all.  

So fuck Frank.  I hope he's banned. Ass.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m always amazed at the cognitive dissonance of men who refuse to see the way that women experience sexual abuse and assault&#8211; it happens in a continuum, just as BB talks about in her post about her story. It&#8217;s not all concrete X+X devided by pi happened and so it equals rape, but if you take away the variable X and add A or times it by Y then you have something other than rape. </p>
<p>There is no &#8220;formula&#8221; for rape.  There is not an effective way to even describe it, one that encompasses all it&#8217;s effects and implications, under libertarian law; much less any sort of effective means of combatting it.  The white man&#8217;s law is not set up to protect ANYONE from the white man, it&#8217;s set up to ensure that the white man gets his, even if it hurts, and to ensure that we&#8217;re all laid out for his use, and that when he goes too, too far, he might get a slap on the wrist if he can&#8217;t afford a good lawyer, but we&#8217;re made damn sure to know that it was never really his fault that anything happened.  Jesus fucking christ.  </p>
<p>The material reality of rape and porn culture, the way that rape and abuse really happens in our lives, it doesn&#8217;t work that way.  And I&#8217;m not gonna rely on some male-centric-male-defined idea of what the &#8220;court&#8221; or the &#8220;media&#8221; deems rape or abuse to be.   </p>
<p>I guess it shouldn&#8217;t be so &#8220;amazing&#8221; since most of the people who rape and abuse are men, and in many cases would be considered &#8220;normal&#8221; men, not drooling mythical monsters.  </p>
<p>But it is.  What amazes me is the audacity of the claims, the blatant disregard for material reality, the finger waved at the shit that THEY DO themselves, that they might have just done five minutes ago.</p>
<p>Nobody wants to believe that all this weird shit has happened to us.  I get that whole &#8220;your life should be a book&#8221; commentary- which is a mild way of saying that what I&#8217;m telling is unbelievable- and while I might have been through some shit it&#8217;s NOTHING, it&#8217;s miniscule and it&#8217;s kinda like a picnic when I hear stories from other women.  </p>
<p>I believe these stories.  I don&#8217;t doubt their happening at all.  </p>
<p>So fuck Frank.  I hope he&#8217;s banned. Ass.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12753</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Apr 2006 16:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/04/03/duke-rape-from-biting-beaver/#comment-12753</guid>
		<description>No Frank.  I wasn't keeping any fact out.  You didn't send facts.  Read the frigging rules, like I emailed you.  I am not hosting a forum for anyone who is operating as a flame-troll, and I will not tolerate openly sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, or racist comments.  Your earlier posts contined grotesquely misogynist remarks, and this one is teetering on the brink of deletion... but I want others to know how this works.  So I am making an example of your obtuse ass.

You yourself are making a claim here without providing any support for your alleged fact.  You imply that it is impossible that she might have BEEN raped three times.  Rape has the lowest conviction rate of any felony.  And if you refer to any grown woman again as a "girl", particularly a Black woman, you will never surface here again.

Funny I don't hear a word from you about the racist remarks that these oxygen-thieving, loud-mouthed, pampered white boys made.... which is why I am perfectly comfortable excoriating them thus -- regardless of the facts that do emerge about the actual incident.

This blog is not some mock court.  We have serious discussions here about issues that are not permitted in court.  The law is too disingenuous to ever get at hard truths.  If you'll take that medication they gave you for Jerking Knee Reflex, and actually read what was posted here, you'll see that we are talking about patriarchy and national oppression, and how it renders Black women and women who are obliged by circumstances to do this kind of shit as "un-rapable."

Go back and hit the link to Biting Beaver's story.  She has extended it since last time.  She was raped repeatedly throughout her life, as are many women beginning in childhood. 

Or don't go read it.  Go home, eat your cake and ice cream, and nurse your wounded sense of male entitlement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No Frank.  I wasn&#8217;t keeping any fact out.  You didn&#8217;t send facts.  Read the frigging rules, like I emailed you.  I am not hosting a forum for anyone who is operating as a flame-troll, and I will not tolerate openly sexist, xenophobic, homophobic, or racist comments.  Your earlier posts contined grotesquely misogynist remarks, and this one is teetering on the brink of deletion&#8230; but I want others to know how this works.  So I am making an example of your obtuse ass.</p>
<p>You yourself are making a claim here without providing any support for your alleged fact.  You imply that it is impossible that she might have BEEN raped three times.  Rape has the lowest conviction rate of any felony.  And if you refer to any grown woman again as a &#8220;girl&#8221;, particularly a Black woman, you will never surface here again.</p>
<p>Funny I don&#8217;t hear a word from you about the racist remarks that these oxygen-thieving, loud-mouthed, pampered white boys made&#8230;. which is why I am perfectly comfortable excoriating them thus &#8212; regardless of the facts that do emerge about the actual incident.</p>
<p>This blog is not some mock court.  We have serious discussions here about issues that are not permitted in court.  The law is too disingenuous to ever get at hard truths.  If you&#8217;ll take that medication they gave you for Jerking Knee Reflex, and actually read what was posted here, you&#8217;ll see that we are talking about patriarchy and national oppression, and how it renders Black women and women who are obliged by circumstances to do this kind of shit as &#8220;un-rapable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Go back and hit the link to Biting Beaver&#8217;s story.  She has extended it since last time.  She was raped repeatedly throughout her life, as are many women beginning in childhood. </p>
<p>Or don&#8217;t go read it.  Go home, eat your cake and ice cream, and nurse your wounded sense of male entitlement.</p>
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