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	<title>Comments on: Elections</title>
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	<description>Making the Connections</description>
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		<title>By: Timothy R. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-210570</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy R. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 21:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom Regan, journalist for the Christian Science Monitor, put
together a very  impressive report on  HOW  the current Iraq war
has been  " influenced"  by Saudi Arabia.

Regan's news was published on  December 8 , 2006  and I recommend
" google "  - ing  it.

Timothy R. Anderson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom Regan, journalist for the Christian Science Monitor, put<br />
together a very  impressive report on  HOW  the current Iraq war<br />
has been  &#8221; influenced&#8221;  by Saudi Arabia.</p>
<p>Regan&#8217;s news was published on  December 8 , 2006  and I recommend<br />
&#8221; google &#8221;  - ing  it.</p>
<p>Timothy R. Anderson</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy R. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-206066</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy R. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 16:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-206066</guid>
		<description>" Millions Of Dollars "  ; on page  A - 16.

this news article is from my local newspaper,  page  A - 16

"  Private Saudi citizens  are giving  millions
of  dollars  to  Sunni  insurgents  in  Iraq,
and  much  of  the money  is  used  to  buy  weapons,
including  shoulder-fired   anti-aircraft  missiles,
according  to key  Iraqi  officials  and  others
familiar   with  the  flow  of  cash.  "  

" Saudi government officials deny that any
money  from their  country  is  being  sent  to Iraqis
fighting  Iraq's  government  and  the  U.S.-led  
coalition . But the Iraq Study Group  report said
Saudis are a  big  source of  funding  for  Sunni
insurgents.   Several  truck  drivers  interviewed  by
the Associated Press  described  carrying  boxes
of  cash  from  Saudi  Arabia  into  Iraq,
money  they said   was  headed  for  insurgents.  "

source:   news article  written by  Salah   Nasrawi .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Millions Of Dollars &#8221;  ; on page  A - 16.</p>
<p>this news article is from my local newspaper,  page  A - 16</p>
<p>&#8221;  Private Saudi citizens  are giving  millions<br />
of  dollars  to  Sunni  insurgents  in  Iraq,<br />
and  much  of  the money  is  used  to  buy  weapons,<br />
including  shoulder-fired   anti-aircraft  missiles,<br />
according  to key  Iraqi  officials  and  others<br />
familiar   with  the  flow  of  cash.  &#8221;  </p>
<p>&#8221; Saudi government officials deny that any<br />
money  from their  country  is  being  sent  to Iraqis<br />
fighting  Iraq&#8217;s  government  and  the  U.S.-led<br />
coalition . But the Iraq Study Group  report said<br />
Saudis are a  big  source of  funding  for  Sunni<br />
insurgents.   Several  truck  drivers  interviewed  by<br />
the Associated Press  described  carrying  boxes<br />
of  cash  from  Saudi  Arabia  into  Iraq,<br />
money  they said   was  headed  for  insurgents.  &#8221;</p>
<p>source:   news article  written by  Salah   Nasrawi .</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy R. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-201895</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy R. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jun 2008 18:42:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-201895</guid>
		<description>" Every USA President  since the 1940 s  has  sought
good  relations  with oil-rich Saudi Arabia.  American companies
have  sold  its  government  more than  $ 15  billion  in  arms
in the last decade.  Last year,  U.S.A.  oil imports  totaled
more than  $ 30  billion.  Saudi Arabia's  King  Abdullah  promised to crack down on extremists  after we learned that
15   of the  9/11  hijackers  were Saudis .  Yet researchers
at West Point say that the largest number of  al-Qaeda
fighters in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia.  "

source:  David  Wallechinsky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; Every USA President  since the 1940 s  has  sought<br />
good  relations  with oil-rich Saudi Arabia.  American companies<br />
have  sold  its  government  more than  $ 15  billion  in  arms<br />
in the last decade.  Last year,  U.S.A.  oil imports  totaled<br />
more than  $ 30  billion.  Saudi Arabia&#8217;s  King  Abdullah  promised to crack down on extremists  after we learned that<br />
15   of the  9/11  hijackers  were Saudis .  Yet researchers<br />
at West Point say that the largest number of  al-Qaeda<br />
fighters in Iraq come from Saudi Arabia.  &#8221;</p>
<p>source:  David  Wallechinsky.</p>
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		<title>By: R.S. Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-53451</link>
		<dc:creator>R.S. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 22:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-53451</guid>
		<description>&lt;i&gt;it seems that gender repression is mostly a vestige of physical power differentials, and so as society becomes more *civilized* and liberalized overall, gender repression declines.

That is to say, brutality to women and racism both still exist, but they used to be a social norm. They no longer are officially acceptable, though they persist. Advancing overall social thought seems like an evolutionary project, not a political one.  ---"Gary Goodman"&lt;/i&gt;

I'll call bullsh*t on this one since nobody else has.  Gary, take the time to read through previous articles and discussions before you throw crap like this against the wall.
Especially when you say something like this:

&lt;i&gt;I know there are women who are bullies too. One of my close friends is such a victim periodically. She even told the cops SHE beat HIM. (Please do not think I am arguing against rights and equality for women, or promoting some neanderthal attitude.)&lt;/i&gt;

When we men fall back to defending OUR equality with women all we're doing is protecting our place at the top of the power chain.  We need to fight against that tendency at every opportunity.

Randy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it seems that gender repression is mostly a vestige of physical power differentials, and so as society becomes more *civilized* and liberalized overall, gender repression declines.</p>
<p>That is to say, brutality to women and racism both still exist, but they used to be a social norm. They no longer are officially acceptable, though they persist. Advancing overall social thought seems like an evolutionary project, not a political one.  &#8212;&#8221;Gary Goodman&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll call bullsh*t on this one since nobody else has.  Gary, take the time to read through previous articles and discussions before you throw crap like this against the wall.<br />
Especially when you say something like this:</p>
<p><i>I know there are women who are bullies too. One of my close friends is such a victim periodically. She even told the cops SHE beat HIM. (Please do not think I am arguing against rights and equality for women, or promoting some neanderthal attitude.)</i></p>
<p>When we men fall back to defending OUR equality with women all we&#8217;re doing is protecting our place at the top of the power chain.  We need to fight against that tendency at every opportunity.</p>
<p>Randy</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy R. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-53420</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy R. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-53420</guid>
		<description>If  my  life was  a  song  it  would  have  this title :  "  Dang it, if I weren't half-crazed already,  I'd  be  on  my  way . "
         Thanks, uh, I  think,  there,  " Gary  Goodman . "
      My earlier  post  was  evidently not  articulate enough. 
             My  question is  :
        WHY  is  the  American  public  ignoring
       the  current  Saudi  Arabian  society,  identical  to  the  recent  Saudi  Arabian  society that  produced  the  majority  of  the  persons  who, on  September 11,  2001   attacks    ?

    To  me,  that's  beyond   foolish / reckless.
        To  me,  that's   a  level  of
          absurdity   I  cannot  attach  words of the English  language   to.

        Timothy R. Anderson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  my  life was  a  song  it  would  have  this title :  &#8221;  Dang it, if I weren&#8217;t half-crazed already,  I&#8217;d  be  on  my  way . &#8221;<br />
         Thanks, uh, I  think,  there,  &#8221; Gary  Goodman . &#8221;<br />
      My earlier  post  was  evidently not  articulate enough.<br />
             My  question is  :<br />
        WHY  is  the  American  public  ignoring<br />
       the  current  Saudi  Arabian  society,  identical  to  the  recent  Saudi  Arabian  society that  produced  the  majority  of  the  persons  who, on  September 11,  2001   attacks    ?</p>
<p>    To  me,  that&#8217;s  beyond   foolish / reckless.<br />
        To  me,  that&#8217;s   a  level  of<br />
          absurdity   I  cannot  attach  words of the English  language   to.</p>
<p>        Timothy R. Anderson</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Goodman</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-52576</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Goodman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-52576</guid>
		<description>Timothy.
Saudi Arabia.  Extremely patriarchal society. Patriarchal rulers.  More violent than USA, i think, from what i've heard, both certain groups (not everyone!) and the &lt;b&gt;US-backed Rulers&lt;/b&gt; with their beheadings and other human rights violations.

There, I said it.  Sorry if I broke the anti-troll rule.

TIM:  Did YOU not know that the Saudi Royalty is PROTECTED by America and by American military services?  You didn't know that the Pentagon 'SELLS' military services to whomever can pay?  You did not know the Saudi leaders can afford to pay? 

You did not know that Binladen Construction builds a lot of their buildings as well US military bases and OIL rigs?  In short, tell me YOU did not know that WE "own" them?  You never heard that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were *conduits* for cash and weapons for the Mujahideen, according to Brzezinski's Grand Chessboard plan?

Yet now the semi-official story is that the CIA NEVER no NEVER backed Al-Qaeda. Look up "Ali Muhamed" some time. I call him a "catch-and-release" terrorist.

Your Saudi obsession is a combo of Michael Moore and Richard Perle, as well as decades-old Pentagon planning called "Seizing Arab Oil".  Google that.

I'm quite sure that for some Saudi residents, "regime change" would be desireable.  For other Saudis, who look up to their rulers like so many Tube-fed look up to Bush, or who believe that the SA Royals are descendants from Mohammed, they would NOT approve of regime change. 

Regardless, regime change (or beyond) starts here at home.

But BLAMING *our* agents in SA is a giant floppy red herring in white cream sauce.

***
I'm LESS familiar with the terminology here, but it seems that gender repression is mostly a vestige of physical power differentials, and so as society becomes more *civilized* and liberalized overall, gender repression declines.

That is to say, brutality to women and racism both still exist, but they used to be a &lt;b&gt;social norm&lt;/b&gt;. They no longer are officially acceptable, though they persist. Advancing overall social thought seems like an evolutionary project, not a political one.

Are MOST men mean bastards to women?  Are SOME men bastards because ... they are strong cowards?  I know there are women who are bullies too.  One of my close friends is such a victim periodically.  She even told the cops SHE beat HIM.  (Please do not think I am arguing against rights and equality for women, or promoting some neanderthal attitude.)

I should at least mention -- in terms of psyops and "false consciousness" -- that just as there has been an entire structure of "false consciousness" created around terrorism (Arabs) and the War on Terror, there was also a "false consciousness" created around feminism.  I read that a rad feminist group called Red Stockings noticed that &lt;b&gt;Gloria Steinem&lt;/b&gt; seemed to be saying some weird things which did not fit, and RS eventually uncovered some documentation that proved that Steinem had been &lt;b&gt;on payroll of the CIA, spying on radical left student groups in Europe.&lt;/b&gt;

After that gig, "uncle CIA" helped her become a famous feminist.  She denied any CIA connection or links to Katherine Graham (WAPO) for years. Why would CIA 'create' and fund a 'radical feminist' author and lecturer?  

Suggested reasons were that it was meant to 
a) dilute and misdirect the more radical antiwar movement
b) create splits and discontent in the antiwar movement and Black nationalism
c) possibly a point of infiltration
d) inject false arguments into society to confuse and subvert power (Gloria became mainstreamed)
e) have Steinem and allies push for nonsense or hostile or unworkable feminist ideas virtually guaranteed to create widespread dissension and acrimony in the general public and amongst men, who may not have been threatened by feminism &lt;i&gt;other than Steinem's version of it&lt;/i&gt;.

In other words, not merely powerful feminism, but a feminist mindfuck.

Myself and a group of friends began to see the same phenomena with the "9-11 Truthiness" movement. Hard Facts, undeniable gaping holes, mixed with Illuminati tales and crop circles and extreme Christian Right insanity.

Loose Change -- truth, half-truth, fiction, unsupported assertions.  All in a stew.

At the same time, idolized beacons on the Left like Zmag seemingly decided immediately to reject all such questions of conspiracy -- whether based on evidence or crap.

Frustratingly, a Mr. M. Parenti, who has written and spoken on "Conspiracy AND Class Power", and derisively discussed his peers' aversion to considering that wealthy and powerful conspire to obtain and maintain wealth and power, became a rejectionist with regards to the LARGEST power play for the Western ruling class since Hitler or Stalin.  

This rejected despite the fact that one of Parenti's peers - Chossudovsky - a Left-Soc-Economist who would be a natural peer of Chomsky and others as well, has painstakingly outlined the connections between Bin Laden and the CIA, and between the War on Terror and Imperial Globalization.

&lt;i&gt;"It is also a fact that America is &lt;b&gt;too democratic at home&lt;/b&gt; to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of America's power, especially its capacity for &lt;b&gt;military intimidation&lt;/b&gt;. Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, &lt;b&gt;except in conditions of a sudden threat&lt;/b&gt; or challenge to the public's sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the &lt;b&gt;human sacrifice&lt;/b&gt; (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts.
Democracy is &lt;b&gt;inimical to imperial mobilization.&lt;/b&gt;"&lt;/i&gt; â€”from The Grand Chessboard 
www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_quotes.html
Straussians are on 
/conquest.html

I'm not saying that the *problem* is limited to these imperialist groups, but they are a mechanism and I seem to get mileage out of using or paraphrasing some their quotes to smash the false consciousness, a mindset which they BRAG about promoting via "magnetic personalities" in the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timothy.<br />
Saudi Arabia.  Extremely patriarchal society. Patriarchal rulers.  More violent than USA, i think, from what i&#8217;ve heard, both certain groups (not everyone!) and the <b>US-backed Rulers</b> with their beheadings and other human rights violations.</p>
<p>There, I said it.  Sorry if I broke the anti-troll rule.</p>
<p>TIM:  Did YOU not know that the Saudi Royalty is PROTECTED by America and by American military services?  You didn&#8217;t know that the Pentagon &#8216;SELLS&#8217; military services to whomever can pay?  You did not know the Saudi leaders can afford to pay? </p>
<p>You did not know that Binladen Construction builds a lot of their buildings as well US military bases and OIL rigs?  In short, tell me YOU did not know that WE &#8220;own&#8221; them?  You never heard that Saudi Arabia and Pakistan were *conduits* for cash and weapons for the Mujahideen, according to Brzezinski&#8217;s Grand Chessboard plan?</p>
<p>Yet now the semi-official story is that the CIA NEVER no NEVER backed Al-Qaeda. Look up &#8220;Ali Muhamed&#8221; some time. I call him a &#8220;catch-and-release&#8221; terrorist.</p>
<p>Your Saudi obsession is a combo of Michael Moore and Richard Perle, as well as decades-old Pentagon planning called &#8220;Seizing Arab Oil&#8221;.  Google that.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite sure that for some Saudi residents, &#8220;regime change&#8221; would be desireable.  For other Saudis, who look up to their rulers like so many Tube-fed look up to Bush, or who believe that the SA Royals are descendants from Mohammed, they would NOT approve of regime change. </p>
<p>Regardless, regime change (or beyond) starts here at home.</p>
<p>But BLAMING *our* agents in SA is a giant floppy red herring in white cream sauce.</p>
<p>***<br />
I&#8217;m LESS familiar with the terminology here, but it seems that gender repression is mostly a vestige of physical power differentials, and so as society becomes more *civilized* and liberalized overall, gender repression declines.</p>
<p>That is to say, brutality to women and racism both still exist, but they used to be a <b>social norm</b>. They no longer are officially acceptable, though they persist. Advancing overall social thought seems like an evolutionary project, not a political one.</p>
<p>Are MOST men mean bastards to women?  Are SOME men bastards because &#8230; they are strong cowards?  I know there are women who are bullies too.  One of my close friends is such a victim periodically.  She even told the cops SHE beat HIM.  (Please do not think I am arguing against rights and equality for women, or promoting some neanderthal attitude.)</p>
<p>I should at least mention &#8212; in terms of psyops and &#8220;false consciousness&#8221; &#8212; that just as there has been an entire structure of &#8220;false consciousness&#8221; created around terrorism (Arabs) and the War on Terror, there was also a &#8220;false consciousness&#8221; created around feminism.  I read that a rad feminist group called Red Stockings noticed that <b>Gloria Steinem</b> seemed to be saying some weird things which did not fit, and RS eventually uncovered some documentation that proved that Steinem had been <b>on payroll of the CIA, spying on radical left student groups in Europe.</b></p>
<p>After that gig, &#8220;uncle CIA&#8221; helped her become a famous feminist.  She denied any CIA connection or links to Katherine Graham (WAPO) for years. Why would CIA &#8216;create&#8217; and fund a &#8216;radical feminist&#8217; author and lecturer?  </p>
<p>Suggested reasons were that it was meant to<br />
a) dilute and misdirect the more radical antiwar movement<br />
b) create splits and discontent in the antiwar movement and Black nationalism<br />
c) possibly a point of infiltration<br />
d) inject false arguments into society to confuse and subvert power (Gloria became mainstreamed)<br />
e) have Steinem and allies push for nonsense or hostile or unworkable feminist ideas virtually guaranteed to create widespread dissension and acrimony in the general public and amongst men, who may not have been threatened by feminism <i>other than Steinem&#8217;s version of it</i>.</p>
<p>In other words, not merely powerful feminism, but a feminist mindfuck.</p>
<p>Myself and a group of friends began to see the same phenomena with the &#8220;9-11 Truthiness&#8221; movement. Hard Facts, undeniable gaping holes, mixed with Illuminati tales and crop circles and extreme Christian Right insanity.</p>
<p>Loose Change &#8212; truth, half-truth, fiction, unsupported assertions.  All in a stew.</p>
<p>At the same time, idolized beacons on the Left like Zmag seemingly decided immediately to reject all such questions of conspiracy &#8212; whether based on evidence or crap.</p>
<p>Frustratingly, a Mr. M. Parenti, who has written and spoken on &#8220;Conspiracy AND Class Power&#8221;, and derisively discussed his peers&#8217; aversion to considering that wealthy and powerful conspire to obtain and maintain wealth and power, became a rejectionist with regards to the LARGEST power play for the Western ruling class since Hitler or Stalin.  </p>
<p>This rejected despite the fact that one of Parenti&#8217;s peers - Chossudovsky - a Left-Soc-Economist who would be a natural peer of Chomsky and others as well, has painstakingly outlined the connections between Bin Laden and the CIA, and between the War on Terror and Imperial Globalization.</p>
<p><i>&#8220;It is also a fact that America is <b>too democratic at home</b> to be autocratic abroad. This limits the use of America&#8217;s power, especially its capacity for <b>military intimidation</b>. Never before has a populist democracy attained international supremacy. But the pursuit of power is not a goal that commands popular passion, <b>except in conditions of a sudden threat</b> or challenge to the public&#8217;s sense of domestic well-being. The economic self-denial (that is, defense spending) and the <b>human sacrifice</b> (casualties, even among professional soldiers) required in the effort are uncongenial to democratic instincts.<br />
Democracy is <b>inimical to imperial mobilization.</b>&#8220;</i> â€”from The Grand Chessboard<br />
<a href="http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_quotes.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.takeoverworld.info/brzezinski_quotes.html</a><br />
Straussians are on<br />
/conquest.html</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not saying that the *problem* is limited to these imperialist groups, but they are a mechanism and I seem to get mileage out of using or paraphrasing some their quotes to smash the false consciousness, a mindset which they BRAG about promoting via &#8220;magnetic personalities&#8221; in the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Elaina</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-35288</link>
		<dc:creator>Elaina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Oct 2006 02:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-35288</guid>
		<description>Tim.  Uh. I think that'd be people like me and people like Yolanda and people like De and Anne and.... uh. WOMEN. Wake up, bro.

Elaina
Granddaughter of two housekeepers, one aluminum plant worker and one moonshining hillbilly body mechanich, who was also a decorated WWII vet and and abuser.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim.  Uh. I think that&#8217;d be people like me and people like Yolanda and people like De and Anne and&#8230;. uh. WOMEN. Wake up, bro.</p>
<p>Elaina<br />
Granddaughter of two housekeepers, one aluminum plant worker and one moonshining hillbilly body mechanich, who was also a decorated WWII vet and and abuser.</p>
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		<title>By: spook</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-35143</link>
		<dc:creator>spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Oct 2006 17:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>timothy, 

as the descendant of an abused and alcoholic grandmother and an abused and alcoholic great-grandmother, i am curious why it is relevant that you are the grandson of a farmer and even moreso what it is that puzzles you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>timothy, </p>
<p>as the descendant of an abused and alcoholic grandmother and an abused and alcoholic great-grandmother, i am curious why it is relevant that you are the grandson of a farmer and even moreso what it is that puzzles you.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy R. Anderson</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-34742</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy R. Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-34742</guid>
		<description>As a grandson of a farmer, I need to ask here, uh, who are  " our sisters " , Stan,  that  you will   neveR  turn  your  back  on   ?

   Puzzled.  Timothy R. Anderson,
             grandson  of  a  farmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a grandson of a farmer, I need to ask here, uh, who are  &#8221; our sisters &#8221; , Stan,  that  you will   neveR  turn  your  back  on   ?</p>
<p>   Puzzled.  Timothy R. Anderson,<br />
             grandson  of  a  farmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-34732</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Oct 2006 16:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/10/20/elections/#comment-34732</guid>
		<description>"If the argument is that the feminist movement should be the core of the anti-capitalist struggle (all radical feminists are anticapitalists, while only some radical anticapitalists are feminists), then I disagree. Using feminism as an acid test to determine whom we join forces with against capitalism weakens the movement against capitalism. Similar logic applies to movements pivoted on race, sexuality, etc."

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It's not my argument.  If we look for some version of purity in allies, then no mass movement can ever take hold.

My argument is that explicitly Marxist people and organizations need to get rectified under the terms of their own method.

Marx violated his own method with his naturalization of women.  He did so because he still suffered from the myopia of male power.  I love Marx.  Marx saved my life in a sense.  But he made this error.  The error was reproduced as a direct result of turning his work into "teachings," and his ideas into doctrine.

My appeal is to Marxists, especially Marxist men, to go give a close look to MacKinnon's "Toward a Feminist Theory of the State," a close look at Merchant's "The Death of Nature," a close look at Mies' "Patriarchy and Accumulation on a World Scale," a close look at Dworkin's "Right Wing Women," a close look at Kimberly Crenshaw and Chandra Mohanty and D. A. Clarke, etc etc etc.  These women are applying the best Marxist interpretive instruments to the issue of gendered power, and we are still largely AWOL.

We argue about them without having even bothered to read them, and continue to treat gender as a "woman's issue."  It's not.  It's our issue; and we've absented ourselves for decades while we go on and on about the proletarian revolution... The Woman Question served as a side-dish.

I argue for the rapproachement of Marxism and radical feminism; and I argue that the fault in this divorce was overwhelmingly (male led, and male privileged) Marxist hostility to feminism.

I will say that until this division is healed, in any circumstance where I am forced to choose between Marxism and radical feminism, I will choose the latter.  I do believe that the disruption of patriarchal power is as important and far-reaching as the disruption of class power... probably more far-reaching.

I will never again turn my back on our sisters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If the argument is that the feminist movement should be the core of the anti-capitalist struggle (all radical feminists are anticapitalists, while only some radical anticapitalists are feminists), then I disagree. Using feminism as an acid test to determine whom we join forces with against capitalism weakens the movement against capitalism. Similar logic applies to movements pivoted on race, sexuality, etc.&#8221;</p>
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<p>It&#8217;s not my argument.  If we look for some version of purity in allies, then no mass movement can ever take hold.</p>
<p>My argument is that explicitly Marxist people and organizations need to get rectified under the terms of their own method.</p>
<p>Marx violated his own method with his naturalization of women.  He did so because he still suffered from the myopia of male power.  I love Marx.  Marx saved my life in a sense.  But he made this error.  The error was reproduced as a direct result of turning his work into &#8220;teachings,&#8221; and his ideas into doctrine.</p>
<p>My appeal is to Marxists, especially Marxist men, to go give a close look to MacKinnon&#8217;s &#8220;Toward a Feminist Theory of the State,&#8221; a close look at Merchant&#8217;s &#8220;The Death of Nature,&#8221; a close look at Mies&#8217; &#8220;Patriarchy and Accumulation on a World Scale,&#8221; a close look at Dworkin&#8217;s &#8220;Right Wing Women,&#8221; a close look at Kimberly Crenshaw and Chandra Mohanty and D. A. Clarke, etc etc etc.  These women are applying the best Marxist interpretive instruments to the issue of gendered power, and we are still largely AWOL.</p>
<p>We argue about them without having even bothered to read them, and continue to treat gender as a &#8220;woman&#8217;s issue.&#8221;  It&#8217;s not.  It&#8217;s our issue; and we&#8217;ve absented ourselves for decades while we go on and on about the proletarian revolution&#8230; The Woman Question served as a side-dish.</p>
<p>I argue for the rapproachement of Marxism and radical feminism; and I argue that the fault in this divorce was overwhelmingly (male led, and male privileged) Marxist hostility to feminism.</p>
<p>I will say that until this division is healed, in any circumstance where I am forced to choose between Marxism and radical feminism, I will choose the latter.  I do believe that the disruption of patriarchal power is as important and far-reaching as the disruption of class power&#8230; probably more far-reaching.</p>
<p>I will never again turn my back on our sisters.</p>
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