Comments on: The Bipartisan Ship http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/ Making the Connections Tue, 07 Sep 2010 16:22:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: namaste http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-329586 namaste Tue, 21 Jul 2009 01:07:14 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-329586 If I had learned education I would not have had time to learn anything else. If I had learned education I would not have had time to learn anything else.

]]> By: Gilles d'Aymery http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-42033 Gilles d'Aymery Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:34:10 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-42033 And, BTW, I found Stan's flyer, posted on another thread, excellent for what it was intending to achieve. I disagree with his tactical position (agility, flexibility), but within his approach and frame of reference it was superbly smart. And no, he has not lost credibility for taking this approach. He was and remains IMHO incorrect. BTW, again, to disagree with someone should not be construed, as lamentably too may people do, as a character assassination. One can disagree and have little patience with someone's else tactics and strategies without getting into the gutters of slandering and glittering generalities. Gilles And, BTW, I found Stan’s flyer, posted on another thread, excellent for what it was intending to achieve. I disagree with his tactical position (agility, flexibility), but within his approach and frame of reference it was superbly smart. And no, he has not lost credibility for taking this approach. He was and remains IMHO incorrect.

BTW, again, to disagree with someone should not be construed, as lamentably too may people do, as a character assassination. One can disagree and have little patience with someone’s else tactics and strategies without getting into the gutters of slandering and glittering generalities.

Gilles

]]> By: Gilles d'Aymery http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-42032 Gilles d'Aymery Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:22:02 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-42032 Hopefully, Stan has understood that Jan Baughman's cartoon had humor drawn all over it. I can assure everybody that neither Jan nor I are "revolutionaries." We simply wish to vote for candidates that represent our perspectives and want to support them as best we can. We are in favor of third party politics and the fostering of blacks and Latinos (we are whites) in leadership position (as well as women). We want as many of them to run and we do not want to abandon them in the middle of the river as they sacrifice for ideas and positions we support. But above all, we want to define the issues better, frame the message more intelligently (less slogans, more practical and appealing solutions to the larger population, the near 60 percent that did not vote), and not change direction, but change paradigm. I think Stan would not disagree with this approach. We disagree on the electoral tactics. Sorry, I do not visit the site on a daily basis and do have work to do for Swans, a publication you are welcome to contribute to if you follow the guidelines. -- BTW, there will be another cartoon by Jan in the coming issue [poorly scanned though...my mistake) and again humor will be prevailing. There should also be a piece of mine that explains our opinion (unfinished at this time as I am taking a break here) and our approach. Feel free to criticize. As to revolution in this country, if it were to happen, it would be rather messy and bloody and IMO would come from reactionary parts of society. We are kind on pacifists...Oops, sorry Stan... :-) Best, Gilles Hopefully, Stan has understood that Jan Baughman’s cartoon had humor drawn all over it. I can assure everybody that neither Jan nor I are “revolutionaries.”

We simply wish to vote for candidates that represent our perspectives and want to support them as best we can.

We are in favor of third party politics and the fostering of blacks and Latinos (we are whites) in leadership position (as well as women).

We want as many of them to run and we do not want to abandon them in the middle of the river as they sacrifice for ideas and positions we support.

But above all, we want to define the issues better, frame the message more intelligently (less slogans, more practical and appealing solutions to the larger population, the near 60 percent that did not vote), and not change direction, but change paradigm.

I think Stan would not disagree with this approach. We disagree on the electoral tactics.

Sorry, I do not visit the site on a daily basis and do have work to do for Swans, a publication you are welcome to contribute to if you follow the guidelines. — BTW, there will be another cartoon by Jan in the coming issue [poorly scanned though…my mistake) and again humor will be prevailing. There should also be a piece of mine that explains our opinion (unfinished at this time as I am taking a break here) and our approach. Feel free to criticize. As to revolution in this country, if it were to happen, it would be rather messy and bloody and IMO would come from reactionary parts of society. We are kind on pacifists…Oops, sorry Stan… :-)

Best,
Gilles

]]> By: Randy Morris http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41441 Randy Morris Wed, 15 Nov 2006 21:14:13 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41441 One of the things that drives me most crazy daily is having no clue what a revolution in the U.S. would look like...other than the ongoing quasi-Fascist one that is ongoing. I get up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a man who knows that absolutely EVERYTHING I was taught was wrong -- and in many cases evil -- and that I have no idea how to really make a difference except through the way I live my life. I can't even have a deep conversation with 99% of the people in my life anymore because of my "red pill syndrome." But revolution? In this country?!! Ha! Even I wouldn't want to be governed by most of the hardcore "Leftist" dogmatics that have spewed their vitriol in this blog (I include almost none of the regulars in that group), and I can't even imagine how the women subjected to their "revolutionizing" might end up. I will fully and enthusiastically support the nuevo-Bolivarian revolution going on in Central- and South America, but I must hold to my (non-dogmatic) anarchistic tendencies in this disaster of a country. Show me a political group that embodies the values championed in this blog and I'll throw my efforts behind it. Until then, it'll continue to be beating at a burning building with a broom. Randy One of the things that drives me most crazy daily is having no clue what a revolution in the U.S. would look like…other than the ongoing quasi-Fascist one that is ongoing.

I get up in the morning, look in the mirror and see a man who knows that absolutely EVERYTHING I was taught was wrong — and in many cases evil — and that I have no idea how to really make a difference except through the way I live my life. I can’t even have a deep conversation with 99% of the people in my life anymore because of my “red pill syndrome.”

But revolution? In this country?!! Ha! Even I wouldn’t want to be governed by most of the hardcore “Leftist” dogmatics that have spewed their vitriol in this blog (I include almost none of the regulars in that group), and I can’t even imagine how the women subjected to their “revolutionizing” might end up.

I will fully and enthusiastically support the nuevo-Bolivarian revolution going on in Central- and South America, but I must hold to my (non-dogmatic) anarchistic tendencies in this disaster of a country. Show me a political group that embodies the values championed in this blog and I’ll throw my efforts behind it.

Until then, it’ll continue to be beating at a burning building with a broom.

Randy

]]> By: Elaina http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41351 Elaina Wed, 15 Nov 2006 06:28:09 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41351 Yeah. Lefty-world's all about "skipping" to the "revolution." *ahem* If anybody's got a revolution ready, brang it on. We WOMEN sure could use one; that's something I'd like to see before the manifestation of any bougie-white-male-anarcho-lefty-uber-idealist revolution. I'm not sure <i>I'm</i> willing to stake my bets on revolution now, not even considering the best set of hands we'd be in. CAUSE WE'D STILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE MAN (albeit the man would probly be wearing chuck tailors, a black hoody, some random political tshirt, etc.) Anyways. Yeah. Lefty-world’s all about “skipping” to the “revolution.”

*ahem*

If anybody’s got a revolution ready, brang it on. We WOMEN sure could use one; that’s something I’d like to see before the manifestation of any bougie-white-male-anarcho-lefty-uber-idealist revolution.

I’m not sure I’m willing to stake my bets on revolution now, not even considering the best set of hands we’d be in. CAUSE WE’D STILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE MAN (albeit the man would probly be wearing chuck tailors, a black hoody, some random political tshirt, etc.) Anyways.

]]> By: conq http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41212 conq Tue, 14 Nov 2006 07:51:52 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41212 Stan- The latest Swans Online cartoon: http://www.swans.com/library/art12/jeb164.html <i>"The author wishes to acknowledge Stan Goff, Andrew Austin, and all the Marxist Revolutionaries who have called to vote for the Democrats in the midterm elections out of tactical flexibility."</i> Stan-

The latest Swans Online cartoon:

http://www.swans.com/library/art12/jeb164.html

“The author wishes to acknowledge Stan Goff, Andrew Austin, and all the Marxist Revolutionaries who have called to vote for the Democrats in the midterm elections out of tactical flexibility.”

]]> By: robert http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41102 robert Mon, 13 Nov 2006 05:35:54 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41102 "Bipartisanship" is a very scary word. There is a great risk that the new Dem majority will sacrifice it's duty to hold the executive branch responsible for it's criminal behaviors for the sake of appearing prolific with legislation. On the other hand, this word "bipartisan" has been used as a weapon by Republiacans to make Dems look like obstructionists (e.g. "we want to work together with the Democratic party but they refuse to cooperate and get anything done"). My hope is that this word is being used now so freely by the new majority purely as political strategy - in order to set the republican minority up to look like obstructionists. That's my hope. But i certainly don't discount Mr. Goff's take on the language we are hearing. “Bipartisanship” is a very scary word. There is a great risk that the new Dem majority will sacrifice it’s duty to hold the executive branch responsible for it’s criminal behaviors for the sake of appearing prolific with legislation.
On the other hand, this word “bipartisan” has been used as a weapon by Republiacans to make Dems look like obstructionists (e.g. “we want to work together with the Democratic party but they refuse to cooperate and get anything done”). My hope is that this word is being used now so freely by the new majority purely as political strategy - in order to set the republican minority up to look like obstructionists.
That’s my hope. But i certainly don’t discount Mr. Goff’s take on the language we are hearing.

]]> By: Jon Flanders http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41020 Jon Flanders Sun, 12 Nov 2006 14:55:07 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-41020 My own thoughts on the post election period. As far as electoral politics go, looking for chances to get Instant Runoff Voting put in place makes more sense to me than worrying about electing anyone at this point. Taking away the fear of "spoilers" would finally create a situation where voters could be "for" something rather than "against". This election was the Mother of All Vote Against Elections. It might be time to revive the Labor Party effort. Now that the Democrats have power, they will be exposed to workers expectations. Discussions on my job are confirming this for me. Lastly, I hope that the opportunities created by this conjuncture force some socialist groups to merge into something effective I might consider joining. My own thoughts on the post election period.

As far as electoral politics go, looking for chances to
get Instant Runoff Voting put in place makes more sense to me than worrying about electing anyone at this point.

Taking away the fear of “spoilers” would finally create a situation where voters could be “for” something rather than “against”. This election was the Mother of All Vote Against Elections.

It might be time to revive the Labor Party effort. Now that the Democrats have power, they will be exposed
to workers expectations. Discussions on my job are confirming this for me.

Lastly, I hope that the opportunities created by this conjuncture force some socialist groups to merge into something effective I might consider joining.

]]> By: G. http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-40957 G. Sun, 12 Nov 2006 04:18:17 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-40957 I wonder if they have enough bleach on board for those sails. I wonder if they have enough bleach on board for those sails.

]]> By: Stan http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-40950 Stan Sun, 12 Nov 2006 03:05:00 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/09/the-bipartisan-ship/#comment-40950 Hey Gilles, I posted a reply to your interrogatives on the other thread (Honeymoon? Ha!) out of plain confusion. My rep, a Democrat, won with 53%. Don't know the exact numbers. My own little election day foray was strictly a volunteer thing to wee what would happen, and I have now clue about how much of an immediate effect it had. Hope you can pop by the other thread, where the debate over voting for Dems is in full swing. My mass work this year (and last) focused on organizing with veterans, especially Iraq vets; and the rest has been writing (except for a couple of things I did in Haiti, but that's been ongoing for quite a few years now). The writing of this post (also published at Huffingtonpost) probably has a more important effect than the leafletting itself... though I don't overestimate it. I'm a political ferret. I just keep nosing around trying things until something works. Et je ne parle pas le francais. (-: Hey Gilles,

I posted a reply to your interrogatives on the other thread (Honeymoon? Ha!) out of plain confusion.

My rep, a Democrat, won with 53%. Don’t know the exact numbers. My own little election day foray was strictly a volunteer thing to wee what would happen, and I have now clue about how much of an immediate effect it had.

Hope you can pop by the other thread, where the debate over voting for Dems is in full swing.

My mass work this year (and last) focused on organizing with veterans, especially Iraq vets; and the rest has been writing (except for a couple of things I did in Haiti, but that’s been ongoing for quite a few years now).

The writing of this post (also published at Huffingtonpost) probably has a more important effect than the leafletting itself… though I don’t overestimate it.

I’m a political ferret. I just keep nosing around trying things until something works.

Et je ne parle pas le francais. (-:

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