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		<title>By: spook</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-45006</link>
		<dc:creator>spook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ASIL Insight
Hurricane Katrina and Internally Displaced Persons
By Frederic L. Kirgis September 21 , 2005  
 
Victims of hurricane Katrina are internally displaced persons, not refugees  
 

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In widely circulated media reports in the days following the disaster of hurricane Katrina, victims of the hurricane were labeled â€œrefugees.â€[1] Other reports had victims rejecting such classifications and insisting on their status as American citizens. As a matter of international law, it is clear that persons who were forced to flee the hurricane and the subsequent disasters on the Gulf coast are not refugees. Rather, the international community refers to such persons as internally displaced. A particular set of international standards applies to them.  

Refugees are persons who flee abroad because their own government denies them human rights protection either by persecuting them actively or by not helping them against dangers emanating from third parties.  International law protects such persons by means of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol[2] and regional instruments such as the 1969 Refugee Convention of the Organization of the American States (OAS) and the 1984 Cartagena Declaration. 

The victims of hurricane Katrina who had to flee their homes have neither left the United States nor lost any of their human rights vis-Ã -vis the U.S. government. However, they have left their homes involuntarily and thus are internally displaced persons within the meaning of the 1998 Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ASIL Insight<br />
Hurricane Katrina and Internally Displaced Persons<br />
By Frederic L. Kirgis September 21 , 2005  </p>
<p>Victims of hurricane Katrina are internally displaced persons, not refugees  </p>
<p>Excerpt:</p>
<p>In widely circulated media reports in the days following the disaster of hurricane Katrina, victims of the hurricane were labeled â€œrefugees.â€[1] Other reports had victims rejecting such classifications and insisting on their status as American citizens. As a matter of international law, it is clear that persons who were forced to flee the hurricane and the subsequent disasters on the Gulf coast are not refugees. Rather, the international community refers to such persons as internally displaced. A particular set of international standards applies to them.  </p>
<p>Refugees are persons who flee abroad because their own government denies them human rights protection either by persecuting them actively or by not helping them against dangers emanating from third parties.  International law protects such persons by means of the 1951 Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees and its 1967 Protocol[2] and regional instruments such as the 1969 Refugee Convention of the Organization of the American States (OAS) and the 1984 Cartagena Declaration. </p>
<p>The victims of hurricane Katrina who had to flee their homes have neither left the United States nor lost any of their human rights vis-Ã -vis the U.S. government. However, they have left their homes involuntarily and thus are internally displaced persons within the meaning of the 1998 Guiding Principles on Internal Displacement.</p>
<p>cont&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Dec 2006 04:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s interesting that they find the term &quot;refugees&quot; offensive. But I know other refugees from other countries who also do not like the term as applied to themselves, even when the movements they worked for back in the countries from which they ultimately fled sympathized with IDPs and were supported by what might be called EDPs I guess it&#039;s hard to be stripped of all your dignity, your sense that you are in control of your own life and can take care of yourself.  But what did the people who had been rendered homeless by Katrina say about why they did not want to be called refugees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that they find the term &#8220;refugees&#8221; offensive. But I know other refugees from other countries who also do not like the term as applied to themselves, even when the movements they worked for back in the countries from which they ultimately fled sympathized with IDPs and were supported by what might be called EDPs I guess it&#8217;s hard to be stripped of all your dignity, your sense that you are in control of your own life and can take care of yourself.  But what did the people who had been rendered homeless by Katrina say about why they did not want to be called refugees?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Farhat</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-44965</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Farhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Dec 2006 20:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sure that many &quot;refugee&quot; or &quot;displaced&quot; people will find the term offensive, after all, even among refugees in the United States there is the perception than somehow they are &quot;better&quot; or &quot;different&quot; from the refugees of other nations. It is all a matter of perception. It goes to show how this culture has set itself above the rest of the world historically.

As far as practicality is concerned, all people who are &quot;forced&quot; out of their homes are refugees. They are seeking &quot;refuge&quot; from whatever is threatening them, whether it is nature or a man-made act of war. Refugees can stay within their national boundaries or leave to other nations.

I was raised in a society of &quot;refugees.&quot; In fact, after this current Israeli bombardment, half the Lebanese population (2 million people) became refugees in their own land, many remain living in tents to this day. In the Middle East it is a political statement and an existential one as well. In fact, all people of the world agree on the definition, except in the United States and why? Because there is still the perception in this country, even among the downtrodden, deprived, and homeless that somehow they are &quot;better&quot; than a refugee. 

Is that racism?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sure that many &#8220;refugee&#8221; or &#8220;displaced&#8221; people will find the term offensive, after all, even among refugees in the United States there is the perception than somehow they are &#8220;better&#8221; or &#8220;different&#8221; from the refugees of other nations. It is all a matter of perception. It goes to show how this culture has set itself above the rest of the world historically.</p>
<p>As far as practicality is concerned, all people who are &#8220;forced&#8221; out of their homes are refugees. They are seeking &#8220;refuge&#8221; from whatever is threatening them, whether it is nature or a man-made act of war. Refugees can stay within their national boundaries or leave to other nations.</p>
<p>I was raised in a society of &#8220;refugees.&#8221; In fact, after this current Israeli bombardment, half the Lebanese population (2 million people) became refugees in their own land, many remain living in tents to this day. In the Middle East it is a political statement and an existential one as well. In fact, all people of the world agree on the definition, except in the United States and why? Because there is still the perception in this country, even among the downtrodden, deprived, and homeless that somehow they are &#8220;better&#8221; than a refugee. </p>
<p>Is that racism?</p>
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		<title>By: Marilyn Farhat</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-44508</link>
		<dc:creator>Marilyn Farhat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2006 17:21:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even among the refugees of New Orleans, there was fear of certain segments of the refugee population. If you remember, the refugees came in 2 main waves; one wave before the hurricane and one after. Those who came to the shelters before the storm were terrified that the new wave of refugees would be living among them because of problems with drugs and violence. There were a number of people going through withdrawal symptoms and who had to be watched and talked to because they were starting to accost the women in the sleeping areas. 

Another main concern was the safety of the teenage girls in the absence of proper family supervision and the outward display of sexuality, whether in scantiness of clothing or over use of makeup that many of the young girls exhibited (absence of supervision was a common problem within the families for a number of reasons). Protecting vulnerable people is difficult to do in a shelter that houses over 4,000 and thousands more volunteers (who also can be perverts) roaming around inside the place.

Many in the second group opted to stay back for the purpose of criminal activity (a common occurrence in war and disasters). Most poor and working class people are concerned about protecting their children and providing for them and the fears stem from that.

I think there are certain aspects of fear that are based in reality. The challenge is to figure out what is true and what is not and deal with it, and protect the helpless from those who will prey upon them.

There are, however, blatant racists who will use fear to justify their behavior.

MODERATOR&#039;S NOTE:  People from the area find the term &quot;refugees&quot; applied to them offensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even among the refugees of New Orleans, there was fear of certain segments of the refugee population. If you remember, the refugees came in 2 main waves; one wave before the hurricane and one after. Those who came to the shelters before the storm were terrified that the new wave of refugees would be living among them because of problems with drugs and violence. There were a number of people going through withdrawal symptoms and who had to be watched and talked to because they were starting to accost the women in the sleeping areas. </p>
<p>Another main concern was the safety of the teenage girls in the absence of proper family supervision and the outward display of sexuality, whether in scantiness of clothing or over use of makeup that many of the young girls exhibited (absence of supervision was a common problem within the families for a number of reasons). Protecting vulnerable people is difficult to do in a shelter that houses over 4,000 and thousands more volunteers (who also can be perverts) roaming around inside the place.</p>
<p>Many in the second group opted to stay back for the purpose of criminal activity (a common occurrence in war and disasters). Most poor and working class people are concerned about protecting their children and providing for them and the fears stem from that.</p>
<p>I think there are certain aspects of fear that are based in reality. The challenge is to figure out what is true and what is not and deal with it, and protect the helpless from those who will prey upon them.</p>
<p>There are, however, blatant racists who will use fear to justify their behavior.</p>
<p>MODERATOR&#8217;S NOTE:  People from the area find the term &#8220;refugees&#8221; applied to them offensive.</p>
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		<title>By: Nil</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-44027</link>
		<dc:creator>Nil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Dec 2006 00:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t even think the definition of &#039;us&#039; and &#039;them&#039; has been altered that much, Audrey. 

Who do you think they are worried about when they worry about these &quot;refugees from disasters like Katrina&quot;? What does such a &#039;refugee from disasters like Katrina&#039; look like? What do the residents of that town look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t even think the definition of &#8216;us&#8217; and &#8216;them&#8217; has been altered that much, Audrey. </p>
<p>Who do you think they are worried about when they worry about these &#8220;refugees from disasters like Katrina&#8221;? What does such a &#8216;refugee from disasters like Katrina&#8217; look like? What do the residents of that town look like?</p>
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		<title>By: John Irvine aka Sololeum</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-43813</link>
		<dc:creator>John Irvine aka Sololeum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Dec 2006 00:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an Australian such a story seems very weird, and extremely disturbing as the natural disaster that will happen is peak oil, peak energy and the decline of the western economic (dis)order.  I am here looking for more information on Stans new (anarchist) vision to face up to the current world paradigm of poised collapse.

Cheers,

Sololeum

NOTE:  I am not an anarchist.  (-:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an Australian such a story seems very weird, and extremely disturbing as the natural disaster that will happen is peak oil, peak energy and the decline of the western economic (dis)order.  I am here looking for more information on Stans new (anarchist) vision to face up to the current world paradigm of poised collapse.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Sololeum</p>
<p>NOTE:  I am not an anarchist.  (-:</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-43797</link>
		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 21:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and they probably call themselves Christians, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and they probably call themselves Christians, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-43786</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:16:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said the same thing when I read this, Yolanda.  It&#039;s truly disgusting.  The only way I could see a similar ordinance sitting ok with me is if they had said something like, &quot;We need guns just in case there is a natural disaster and FEMA sends in mercenaries to pacify our community.&quot;

But in reality, the entire thing is just another example of typical northern Rocky Mountain white-supremecist, male &quot;gun-ism&quot;.  

Randy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said the same thing when I read this, Yolanda.  It&#8217;s truly disgusting.  The only way I could see a similar ordinance sitting ok with me is if they had said something like, &#8220;We need guns just in case there is a natural disaster and FEMA sends in mercenaries to pacify our community.&#8221;</p>
<p>But in reality, the entire thing is just another example of typical northern Rocky Mountain white-supremecist, male &#8220;gun-ism&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Randy</p>
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		<title>By: audrey</title>
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		<dc:creator>audrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 20:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I sent this to Stan in response to his Doctrine piece, in a meandering disorganized email about how bonds are formed between people, and at what levels. I donâ€™t know that it qualifies as a â€œweirdâ€ story. At its core, itâ€™s not substantially different than the Minute Men, forming their own armed guard along our border to protect us from people who want food and shelter and a way to survive.

If it feels different, itâ€™s only because the definition of us and them has been altered. â€œWeâ€™re arming ourselves against old people.â€ â€œWeâ€™re arming ourselves against infants.â€ Change any part of how groups are defined, present them without the benefit of years of training in â€œusâ€ and â€œthem,â€ and people become uncomfortable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I sent this to Stan in response to his Doctrine piece, in a meandering disorganized email about how bonds are formed between people, and at what levels. I donâ€™t know that it qualifies as a â€œweirdâ€ story. At its core, itâ€™s not substantially different than the Minute Men, forming their own armed guard along our border to protect us from people who want food and shelter and a way to survive.</p>
<p>If it feels different, itâ€™s only because the definition of us and them has been altered. â€œWeâ€™re arming ourselves against old people.â€ â€œWeâ€™re arming ourselves against infants.â€ Change any part of how groups are defined, present them without the benefit of years of training in â€œusâ€ and â€œthem,â€ and people become uncomfortable.</p>
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		<title>By: Yolanda Carrington</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2006/11/30/weird-story-alert-from-audrey/#comment-43728</link>
		<dc:creator>Yolanda Carrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Nov 2006 17:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A gun law motivated by fear of &quot;refugees.&quot; Great.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A gun law motivated by fear of &#8220;refugees.&#8221; Great.</p>
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