Comments on: “Peace is Patriotic” http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/ Making the Connections Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:10:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: peggy http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-202362 peggy Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:24:37 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-202362 Stan, what a veteran like you has is credibility, above all when you speak against interest, when you speak against what you were, and to a certain extent still are. But I speak as a person who has opposed all American wars waged since I reached the age of consciousness, as well as to some waged before. So I have absolutely no credibility when I advocate peace against war as a general principle. People who believe in patriotism as it is commonly understood, like Matt, will spit on you and ignore me. It seems to be almost impossible to bring people over from where Matt stands to where you or I stand. The angrier at them we get, the angrier at us they get, and vice versa. War over the very concept of war. When there is war, warriors will always win against non-warriors. That's the name of the game, I think, or one of them anyway. So then, we have to make this war against war not a war, not a fight, not a struggle, or anything like that. I am a patriot because I love my country. I love the place and I love the people. But that doesn't mean I think that my place and my people are better than any other place or people. It doesn't mean that I don't fear and worry that the place and the people I love are turning bad, and it doesn't mean that I won't do all I can to turn them all around. What it does mean is that I will never give up on them, even when, from a rational point of view, all hope is lost. Maybe this kind of love is stupid, even evil. But there it is, a fact. I liked your article, by the way. When you are good, you are very good. Kind of like the country and the people we share, maybe. Stan, what a veteran like you has is credibility, above all when you speak against interest, when you speak against what you were, and to a certain extent still are. But I speak as a person who has opposed all American wars waged since I reached the age of consciousness, as well as to some waged before. So I have absolutely no credibility when I advocate peace against war as a general principle. People who believe in patriotism as it is commonly understood, like Matt, will spit on you and ignore me. It seems to be almost impossible to bring people over from where Matt stands to where you or I stand. The angrier at them we get, the angrier at us they get, and vice versa. War over the very concept of war. When there is war, warriors will always win against non-warriors. That’s the name of the game, I think, or one of them anyway. So then, we have to make this war against war not a war, not a fight, not a struggle, or anything like that.
I am a patriot because I love my country. I love the place and I love the people. But that doesn’t mean I think that my place and my people are better than any other place or people. It doesn’t mean that I don’t fear and worry that the place and the people I love are turning bad, and it doesn’t mean that I won’t do all I can to turn them all around. What it does mean is that I will never give up on them, even when, from a rational point of view, all hope is lost. Maybe this kind of love is stupid, even evil. But there it is, a fact.

I liked your article, by the way. When you are good, you are very good. Kind of like the country and the people we share, maybe.

]]> By: daniel http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-201269 daniel Mon, 16 Jun 2008 17:58:34 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-201269 just a question... why did vietnam fall to the communists? I thought i read something about there being an independent group of democratic socialist type that wanted a national liberation without communist methods. I think they were called NLF...national liberation front? I haven't been able to sort this data out in my head. just a question… why did vietnam fall to the communists? I thought i read something about there being an independent group of democratic socialist type that wanted a national liberation without communist methods.

I think they were called NLF…national liberation front? I haven’t been able to sort this data out in my head.

]]> By: Gary http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-81804 Gary Fri, 20 Jul 2007 08:03:12 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-81804 As for comments on indyweek, "support the troops" has SO LITTLE to do with actually supporting soldiers. During Shays' Rebellion the soldiers got screwed by unscrupulous speculators, then the military was sent to attack them. Bonus Army was attacked by the Cavalry. Cuts to VA and other instances of the GOVERNMENT trashing the troops --- I'm sure others have more examples. "Support the Troops" really means "the Troops" are MASCOTS for the MI Complex. So they get used for PR gimmicks, props, then thrown away. ("Good" troops only need apply, either alive-and-well or maimed-but-brave and always grateful and full of patriotic bleating.) What Smokey the Bear is to forests, Soldiers are to the Mil-Corps. Maybe that's a little too antiseptic. To really appreaciate the contempt, I quote H. Kissinger on my home page (albeit a quote attributed to him by an author). McCain said Tillman would be a good TOOL for recruiting. Well, NOT ANYMORE! (Sorry to Pat and Pat's family.) Now Hannity considers both Pat and the family one inch away from treason. As for Matt's comment on the Khmer Rouge, remember the United States National Security Advisor said that "WE" (meaning the US government) supported the KR. Actually, he said it would be bad PR for the USA to do so, so Brzezinski asked China to support them. But from what I've read, the CIA did too. So Matt is not only feminizing enemies, he's being willfully ignorant. As for comments on indyweek, “support the troops” has SO LITTLE to do with actually supporting soldiers. During Shays’ Rebellion the soldiers got screwed by unscrupulous speculators, then the military was sent to attack them.
Bonus Army was attacked by the Cavalry.
Cuts to VA and other instances of the GOVERNMENT trashing the troops — I’m sure others have more examples.

“Support the Troops” really means “the Troops” are MASCOTS for the MI Complex. So they get used for PR gimmicks, props, then thrown away. (“Good” troops only need apply, either alive-and-well or maimed-but-brave and always grateful and full of patriotic bleating.) What Smokey the Bear is to forests, Soldiers are to the Mil-Corps.

Maybe that’s a little too antiseptic. To really appreaciate the contempt, I quote H. Kissinger on my home page (albeit a quote attributed to him by an author).

McCain said Tillman would be a good TOOL for recruiting. Well, NOT ANYMORE! (Sorry to Pat and Pat’s family.) Now Hannity considers both Pat and the family one inch away from treason.

As for Matt’s comment on the Khmer Rouge, remember the United States National Security Advisor said that “WE” (meaning the US government) supported the KR. Actually, he said it would be bad PR for the USA to do so, so Brzezinski asked China to support them. But from what I’ve read, the CIA did too.

So Matt is not only feminizing enemies, he’s being willfully ignorant.

]]> By: Matt Dedinas http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-80645 Matt Dedinas Thu, 12 Jul 2007 17:51:11 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-80645 Stan, a Conservative Republican like John Brown wouldnt have had anything to do with scum like you. Dont delude yourself that he would have. I'm sure you're proud of helping the Khmer Rouge murder 2 million people while you sat around crying like a little bitch about "imperialism." Grow up you whiny little drama queen. [DE SEZ hey stan, let's save this little gem for Enemy Women -- women are the enemy, and enemies are by definition women] STAN: Hi Matt. You won't be back, but your rant is so perfectly indicative of everything we write here about feminizing enemies that I couldn't resist letting people have a peek. Stan, a Conservative Republican like John Brown wouldnt have had anything to do with scum like you. Dont delude yourself that he would have.

I’m sure you’re proud of helping the Khmer Rouge murder 2 million people while you sat around crying like a little bitch about “imperialism.” Grow up you whiny little drama queen.

[DE SEZ hey stan, let's save this little gem for Enemy Women -- women are the enemy, and enemies are by definition women]

STAN: Hi Matt. You won’t be back, but your rant is so perfectly indicative of everything we write here about feminizing enemies that I couldn’t resist letting people have a peek.

]]> By: Gary Edelburg http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-80613 Gary Edelburg Thu, 12 Jul 2007 11:51:09 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-80613 I'd just like to add . . . Crazy Horse, beside the moniker being a misgnomer, never put a "Support Our Troops" sticker on the back of his ride. Gary I’d just like to add . . . Crazy Horse, beside the moniker being a misgnomer, never put a “Support Our Troops” sticker on the back of his ride.
Gary

]]> By: Kevin http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-79870 Kevin Sat, 07 Jul 2007 05:44:41 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-79870 I would add Gen. Smedley Butler (MOH twice) I would add Gen. Smedley Butler (MOH twice)

]]> By: Brighid http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/05/peace-is-patriotic/#comment-79692 Brighid Fri, 06 Jul 2007 01:05:06 +0000 http://feralscholar.org/blog/?p=517#comment-79692 Awesome, as usual, Stan. I especially like the dedication and the final sentence. Awesome, as usual, Stan. I especially like the dedication and the final sentence.

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