Comments on: Enemy Women, Part 1: Left Behind (by Audrey) http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/ Making the Connections Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:46:00 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.3 By: Teresa http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-329028 Teresa Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:39:23 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-329028 [Editor’s note: we intend this to be Part 1 of a long-overdue series on misogyny as a political weapon/practise/strategy — whether it be the abuse of “the enemy’s women” in war, or the use of misogynist hate speech to assail “the enemy’s women” in politics, or the misogynist tropes that define all Enemies as Women, or the plain ol’ everyday misogyny intended to silence or intimidate any woman defined as Uppity and hence Enemy…] Is this series still being considered? This Part 1 was at times painful to read, but truth "is what it is", barebones, and all. [Editor’s note: we intend this to be Part 1 of a long-overdue series on misogyny as a political weapon/practise/strategy — whether it be the abuse of “the enemy’s women” in war, or the use of misogynist hate speech to assail “the enemy’s women” in politics, or the misogynist tropes that define all Enemies as Women, or the plain ol’ everyday misogyny intended to silence or intimidate any woman defined as Uppity and hence Enemy…]

Is this series still being considered? This Part 1 was at times painful to read, but truth “is what it is”, barebones, and all.

]]> By: Linda c http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86454 Linda c Fri, 17 Aug 2007 20:57:21 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86454 Sorry - I misspelled your name. One of my best friends name is Aubrey. Sorry - I misspelled your name. One of my best friends name is Aubrey.

]]> By: Linda c http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86396 Linda c Fri, 17 Aug 2007 13:48:29 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86396 Aubrey, This also applies to women trashing women. When WE as a sisterhood understand the importance of not "trashing" each other, then, maybe men can begin to learn from example. Just a thought. I can't say THANKS - enough!!!! Aubrey,

This also applies to women trashing women. When WE as a sisterhood understand the importance of not “trashing” each other, then, maybe men can begin to learn from example.

Just a thought.

I can’t say THANKS - enough!!!!

]]> By: Audrey http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86323 Audrey Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:59:48 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-86323 Hey, Tommy, sorry about your knees. It takes a big leap for men to confront other men about sexism, because it's one of the ways men bond, by objectifying or trashing women. It's also a big leap for women to confront men over it. We risk losing our status as "one of the guys" if we speak out. Once we lose that status, we become one of the targets. It's an even bigger leap to confront it when the target is a woman we don't respect or admire - one of those "enemy" women. That's a tougher test of character, the willingness to speak out against sexism when we have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so - when we aren't defending one of our own. STAN: Direct, succint, and very very well put. Hey, Tommy, sorry about your knees.

It takes a big leap for men to confront other men about sexism, because it’s one of the ways men bond, by objectifying or trashing women. It’s also a big leap for women to confront men over it. We risk losing our status as “one of the guys” if we speak out. Once we lose that status, we become one of the targets.

It’s an even bigger leap to confront it when the target is a woman we don’t respect or admire - one of those “enemy” women. That’s a tougher test of character, the willingness to speak out against sexism when we have absolutely nothing to gain from doing so - when we aren’t defending one of our own.

STAN: Direct, succint, and very very well put.

]]> By: TOMMY http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85752 TOMMY Mon, 13 Aug 2007 16:05:22 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85752 AUDREY, AS A VETERAN MYSELF I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ! FOR MOST OF MY TIME IN I WAS IN A FRONT LINE UNIT WITH NO FEMALE TROOPS, THE LAST 3 YEARS I WAS IN A SIGNAL UNIT BECAUSE MY KNEES ARE A BAG A OF BB'S AND OF COURSE THE MALE TO FEMALE RATIO IS 70 TO 30 % AND YES MEN ARE PIGS ! I THOUGHT BEING AN ENGINEER WE WERE DISGUSTING, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR JOB ! BUT THESE GOOFS WERE OUT OF LINE. MY BEST FRIEND IN THE UNIT WAS A FEMALE, SHE WAS MARRIED AS WAS I, IN FACT THE STORY ABOUT A WEDDING RING ATTRACTS MORE WOMEN IS TRUE, BUT I STAYED FAITHFUL TO MY WIFE. I AM A STUDENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY, AND WATCHING YOUNGER TROOPS FALL OVER THEMSELVES CHASE MY BUDDY, AND FIGHT FOR HER ATTENTION WAS HILARIOUS, YET SAD. SHE HAS STORIES LIKE YOURS, ALTHOUGH SHE DOES LIKE STERN. HER AND I ARE STILL FRIENDS, SHE WAS HER FOR THE SUMMER, AND SHE AND MY NEW WIFE ARE GREAT FRIENDS. MOST OF THE ENGINEER DOGS I WAS WITH NEVER BEHAVED LIKE THAT AROUND WOMEN, BECAUSE AS THEIR LEADER I TOLD THEM, JUST PRETEND THAT IS YOUR WIFE OR DAUGHTER INTHAT SITUATION, WOULD YOU WANT HER TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT? NO WAY ! I WOULD KICK THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE OF MY SOLDIERS WHO DISRESPECTED A FEMALE SOLDIER OR FEMALE LIKE THAT ! PEACE ! AUDREY,

AS A VETERAN MYSELF I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR YOUR SERVICE ! FOR MOST OF MY TIME IN I WAS IN A FRONT LINE UNIT WITH NO FEMALE TROOPS, THE LAST 3 YEARS I WAS IN A SIGNAL UNIT BECAUSE MY KNEES ARE A BAG A OF BB’S AND OF COURSE THE MALE TO FEMALE RATIO IS 70 TO 30 % AND YES MEN ARE PIGS ! I THOUGHT BEING AN ENGINEER WE WERE DISGUSTING, BECAUSE THAT WAS OUR JOB ! BUT THESE GOOFS WERE OUT OF LINE. MY BEST FRIEND IN THE UNIT WAS A FEMALE, SHE WAS MARRIED AS WAS I, IN FACT THE STORY ABOUT A WEDDING RING ATTRACTS MORE WOMEN IS TRUE, BUT I STAYED FAITHFUL TO MY WIFE. I AM A STUDENT OF ANTHROPOLOGY, AND WATCHING YOUNGER TROOPS FALL OVER THEMSELVES CHASE MY BUDDY, AND FIGHT FOR HER ATTENTION WAS HILARIOUS, YET SAD. SHE HAS STORIES LIKE YOURS, ALTHOUGH SHE DOES LIKE STERN. HER AND I ARE STILL FRIENDS, SHE WAS HER FOR THE SUMMER, AND SHE AND MY NEW WIFE ARE GREAT FRIENDS. MOST OF THE ENGINEER DOGS I WAS WITH NEVER BEHAVED LIKE THAT AROUND WOMEN, BECAUSE AS THEIR LEADER I TOLD THEM, JUST PRETEND THAT IS YOUR WIFE OR DAUGHTER INTHAT SITUATION, WOULD YOU WANT HER TO BE TREATED LIKE THAT? NO WAY ! I WOULD KICK THE SHIT OUT OF ANYONE OF MY SOLDIERS WHO DISRESPECTED A FEMALE SOLDIER OR FEMALE LIKE THAT !

PEACE !

]]> By: Elaina http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85731 Elaina Mon, 13 Aug 2007 13:25:45 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85731 Good lord. Good lord.

]]> By: James M http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85588 James M Sun, 12 Aug 2007 18:33:34 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-85588 More evidence showing the left's behind (double entendre intended): http://www.lgbtees.com/index.cgi/lgbt/lgbteescom/2065509?gclid=CJSMlqzD8I0CFQYNYAodHwkYNQ More evidence showing the left’s behind (double entendre intended):

http://www.lgbtees.com/index.cgi/lgbt/lgbteescom/2065509?gclid=CJSMlqzD8I0CFQYNYAodHwkYNQ

]]> By: Legume Sam http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82498 Legume Sam Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:45:23 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82498 De said: <blockquote>So we have a setup where “straight sex”, for men, is a nonreciprocal experience with a lower-caste person, where risk and pain borne by the lower-caste person do not diminish the pleasure reaped by the higher-caste person. [Gee, could this be the original ur-example of the capitalist theory of “externalised costs”?]</blockquote> This reminds me of certain depictions of sex in Classical society... De said:

So we have a setup where “straight sex”, for men, is a nonreciprocal experience with a lower-caste person, where risk and pain borne by the lower-caste person do not diminish the pleasure reaped by the higher-caste person. [Gee, could this be the original ur-example of the capitalist theory of “externalised costs”?]

This reminds me of certain depictions of sex in Classical society…

]]> By: Richard http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82452 Richard Tue, 24 Jul 2007 22:56:55 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82452 Re-reading my last comment, I see I was unclear again. That last sentence should say: "this book helps show that masculine/patriarchal behaviors and ideas are not biologically determined, but socially/culturally constructed." Re-reading my last comment, I see I was unclear again. That last sentence should say: “this book helps show that masculine/patriarchal behaviors and ideas are not biologically determined, but socially/culturally constructed.”

]]> By: Richard http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82427 Richard Tue, 24 Jul 2007 17:45:27 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/07/17/enemy-women-part-1-left-behind-by-audrey/#comment-82427 Um, I'm sorry. I don't know if Stan's comment was directed in part towards my comment, but I hope it didn't seem like I was trying to hijack the thread, either, by referencing the <i>Blood Relations</i> book/theory. I completely agree with Audrey's points in the post--and I increasingly agree that men are, in fact, the problem. I brought it up because of the question about our not knowing where patriarchy came from; in that sense, I thought it was worth bringing up, even if it was only related to a branch of the discussion. For me, this book helps show a way in which we can get away from ideas that certain masculine/patriarchal behaviors and ideas are NOT evolutionarily determined, but socially/culturally constructed. If that wasn't clear, I apologize. Um, I’m sorry. I don’t know if Stan’s comment was directed in part towards my comment, but I hope it didn’t seem like I was trying to hijack the thread, either, by referencing the Blood Relations book/theory. I completely agree with Audrey’s points in the post–and I increasingly agree that men are, in fact, the problem. I brought it up because of the question about our not knowing where patriarchy came from; in that sense, I thought it was worth bringing up, even if it was only related to a branch of the discussion. For me, this book helps show a way in which we can get away from ideas that certain masculine/patriarchal behaviors and ideas are NOT evolutionarily determined, but socially/culturally constructed. If that wasn’t clear, I apologize.

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