Comments on: Dave Cline… http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/ Making the Connections Wed, 08 Feb 2012 08:10:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: joe madero http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-138982 joe madero Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:26:33 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-138982 i first met Dave at work back in 1974. We were members of the postal union ( n y metro) and a radical splinter group called the outlaw. he was a great shop steward, and fearless fighter for workers rights. we worked together at pay loc. 265 for four years, and I regret none of it. We did everything we could to make management miserable. we lost our job in the wildcat strike of '78, and shut the place down for four days, and I don t regret that either. I came out to California in '80, lost contact with dave and alot of my union comrades. On Feb 2 2008, I decided to look him up on the Internet, and I found him, but too late. Wish I could of talked to him one more time. but Dave, if you can here me, I haven t held a job for 25 years, still fight the system, and death to the capitalist " worker solidarity will be great.... we shut you down in '78" left right lay-Ho i first met Dave at work back in 1974. We were members of the postal union ( n y metro) and a radical splinter group called the outlaw. he was a great shop steward, and fearless fighter for workers rights. we worked together at pay loc. 265 for four years, and I regret none of it. We did everything we could to make management miserable. we lost our job in the wildcat strike of ’78, and shut the place down for four days, and I don t regret that either. I came out to California in ’80, lost contact with dave and alot of my union comrades. On Feb 2 2008, I decided to look him up on the Internet, and I found him, but too late. Wish I could of talked to him one more time. but Dave, if you can here me, I haven t held a job for 25 years, still fight the system, and death to the capitalist ” worker solidarity will be great…. we shut you down in ’78″ left right lay-Ho

]]> By: Liz http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-93429 Liz Mon, 01 Oct 2007 10:07:49 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-93429 In March of 2005 in Fayetteville watched Dave talking with other veterans about their struggles to stay whole and sometimes forgive themselves. What an extraordinary man. In March of 2005 in Fayetteville watched Dave talking with other veterans about their struggles to stay whole and sometimes forgive themselves. What an extraordinary man.

]]> By: Chris http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-92491 Chris Sun, 23 Sep 2007 15:43:21 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-92491 There's little consolation for losing someone so vital. And I agree, he'll be remembered as a giant. But the virtual memorials in existence right now, and cited here, feel real enough to bring the tears back. I knew about Dave for years, and finally met him when I started writing my a book (still in progress) about soldiers who dissent. His death reminded me not to retain the illusion that any of us have any time. There’s little consolation for losing someone so vital. And I agree, he’ll be remembered as a giant. But the virtual memorials in existence right now, and cited here, feel real enough to bring the tears back.

I knew about Dave for years, and finally met him when I started writing my a book (still in progress) about soldiers who dissent. His death reminded me not to retain the illusion that any of us have any time.

]]> By: Danielle Zora http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-92092 Danielle Zora Thu, 20 Sep 2007 07:29:08 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-92092 Stan - I wanted to reach out to you- what a loss! When I left NC to go to NJ I ran into DC at a forum at Rutgers that I think I was one of only 2 or 3 others in the audience and some of the panelists had not showed up. I had not seen him in 20 plus years and he looked like hell but so do I. He was good natured about the whole non-event and actually very inspiring and kind to me. I have not seen him since but I feel his loss profoundly. I just read about his death and Bill's a few minutes ago and can not control tears. All my love to all who will miss him. All my compassion for healing the hole he has left in the struggle and all my respect for all that he built. Stan – I wanted to reach out to you- what a loss! When I left NC to go to NJ I ran into DC at a forum at Rutgers that I think I was one of only 2 or 3 others in the audience and some of the panelists had not showed up. I had not seen him in 20 plus years and he looked like hell but so do I. He was good natured about the whole non-event and actually very inspiring and kind to me. I have not seen him since but I feel his loss profoundly. I just read about his death and Bill’s a few minutes ago and can not control tears. All my love to all who will miss him. All my compassion for healing the hole he has left in the struggle and all my respect for all that he built.

]]> By: Sylvia Zisman http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91893 Sylvia Zisman Wed, 19 Sep 2007 00:55:06 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91893 I first met Dave Cline at a meeting in the St John's Church in Elizabeth shortly after the end of Desert Storm.He gathered a group of Agent Orange and DU victims to speak out and we saw a brief film on the use of DU.This meeting alerted us to the problems returning vets face. Sylvia Zisman,NJ H/N Remembrance Committee I first met Dave Cline at a meeting in the St John’s Church in Elizabeth
shortly after the end of Desert Storm.He gathered a group of Agent Orange and DU
victims to speak out and we saw
a brief film on the use of DU.This meeting alerted us to the problems returning vets face. Sylvia Zisman,NJ H/N Remembrance Committee

]]> By: Craig http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91794 Craig Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:55:11 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91794 Dave Cline spoke to Grover Furr's class some years ago. Look for links <a href="http://www.chss.montclair.edu/english/furr/Vietnam/vn07.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>. While I'm here, I'm wondering if there are any references readily available for this intriguing passage from Capitalism is against the law--the law of thermodynamics (<a> </a><a href="http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/?p=13" rel="nofollow">2</a>): "Many historians speculate that had it not been for the USSR, there would have been three, four, or more world wars between the industrialized capitalist metropoles, but the US-USSR standoff, renegotiated during WWII for reasons this article will not dwell on, created a bipolar world that served as the impetus for the development of 'free-world multilateralism.'" Thanks. Dave Cline spoke to Grover Furr’s class some years ago. Look for links here.

While I’m here, I’m wondering if there are any references readily available for this intriguing passage from Capitalism is against the law–the law of thermodynamics ( 2): “Many historians speculate that had it not been for the USSR, there would have been three, four, or more world wars between the industrialized capitalist metropoles, but the US-USSR standoff, renegotiated during WWII for reasons this article will not dwell on, created a bipolar world that served as the impetus for the development of ‘free-world multilateralism.’” Thanks.

]]> By: Gordon Soderberg http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91792 Gordon Soderberg Tue, 18 Sep 2007 14:46:02 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91792 David Clines speech at Congo Square New orleans March 20th 2006 on the third Anniversary of the war on Iraq. http://neworleansvfp.ning.com/video/video/show?id=724261%3AVideo%3A3144 I hope it helps get people to think about the cost of war and its effects here at home. Gordon P.S. Please let everyone know that there are still veterans down here working on what David Cline was attempting to inspire with his speech and we could use some help. David Clines speech at Congo Square New orleans March 20th 2006 on the third Anniversary of the war on Iraq.

http://neworleansvfp.ning.com/video/video/show?id=724261%3AVideo%3A3144

I hope it helps get people to think about the cost of war and its effects here at home.

Gordon

P.S.

Please let everyone know that there are still veterans down here working on what David Cline was attempting to inspire with his speech and we could use some help.

]]> By: Stan http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91781 Stan Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:21:17 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91781 If we do not speak of it others will surely rewrite the script. Each of the body bags all of the mass graves will be opened and their contents abracadabraed into a noble cause. -Vietnam Veteran George Swiers If we do not
speak of it others
will surely rewrite
the script. Each
of the body bags
all of the mass
graves will be
opened and their
contents abracadabraed
into a noble cause.

-Vietnam Veteran George Swiers

]]> By: Madelyn http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91762 Madelyn Tue, 18 Sep 2007 04:18:23 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91762 The news of Dave Cline's death hit me like a tidal wave. I began to work as Director of NJ Peace Action in Montclair, New Jersey in August 2000. Dave Cline spent many hours helping me to understand the different elements of the peace movement and the differences between the peace movement and the anti-war movement. He encouraged me to find ways to reach out to the community of veterans whose experiences convinced them in some cases to be against all wars and in other cases to be against particular wars. He helped to demystify the issues surrounding the problem of the use of depleted uranium. He explained what strategies and tactics reached people and what strategies and tactics turned them away. He stood by me and NJ Peace Action post 9/11 when some people called our office constantly, calling us anti-American and trying to discourage us from speaking out for peace. He made sure that NJ Peace Action worked with Gold Star Families for Peace and Cindy Sheehan's organization in organizing a stop in Newark on her national bus tour in September 2004. Dave was a no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase kind of guy, who was ALWAYS doing whatever he could to encourage, inspire, guide and inform. His speeches never failed to move me and others -- and his dedication to the cause of peace was unwavering. I last saw Dave at the United for Peace and Justice Conference in Chicago this past June -- a conference I almost did not attend. In retrospect, I am grateful that NJ Peace Action convinced me to attend. The Conference was great and the experiences memorable -- but top on my list of important moments was having the opportunity to hug Dave Cline one more time, to share moments of activism with him and to hear him speak out against the war and for the importance of unity -- Dave Cline, New Jersey will miss you....and I will miss your down-to-earth, tell it like it is, way of addressing issues of war and peace, life and death. We will carry on!!! The news of Dave Cline’s death hit me like a tidal wave. I began to work as Director of NJ Peace Action in Montclair, New Jersey in August 2000. Dave Cline spent many hours helping me to understand the different elements of the peace movement and the differences between the peace movement and the anti-war movement. He encouraged me to find ways to reach out to the community of veterans whose experiences convinced them in some cases to be against all wars and in other cases to be against particular wars. He helped to demystify the issues surrounding the problem of the use of depleted uranium. He explained what strategies and tactics reached people and what strategies and tactics turned them away. He stood by me and NJ Peace Action post 9/11 when some people called our office constantly, calling us anti-American and trying to discourage us from speaking out for peace. He made sure that NJ Peace Action worked with Gold Star Families for Peace and Cindy Sheehan’s organization in organizing a stop in Newark on her national bus tour in September 2004.

Dave was a no-nonsense, cut-to-the-chase kind of guy, who was ALWAYS doing whatever he could to encourage, inspire, guide and inform. His speeches never failed to move me and others — and his dedication to the cause of peace was unwavering.

I last saw Dave at the United for Peace and Justice Conference in Chicago this past June — a conference I almost did not attend. In retrospect, I am grateful that NJ Peace Action convinced me to attend. The Conference was great and the experiences memorable — but top on my list of important moments was having the opportunity to hug Dave Cline one more time, to share moments of activism with him and to hear him speak out against the war and for the importance of unity —

Dave Cline, New Jersey will miss you….and I will miss your down-to-earth, tell it like it is, way of addressing issues of war and peace, life and death. We will carry on!!!

]]> By: William Nemcik http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91757 William Nemcik Tue, 18 Sep 2007 02:05:10 +0000 http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2007/09/15/dave-cline/#comment-91757 Stan, I never thought I would ever be writing this sort of comment; I had a gut feeling that he was immortal, too significant and valuable to just simply pass away as mere mortals do. Yes, it is a great loss, in a world where the left is lost in postmodern self complacency and conceited discourses; he was the real thing, a true and straightforward revolutionary. Stan,

I never thought I would ever be writing this sort of comment; I had a gut feeling that he was immortal, too significant and valuable to just simply pass away as mere mortals do. Yes, it is a great loss, in a world where the left is lost in postmodern self complacency and conceited discourses; he was the real thing, a true and straightforward revolutionary.

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