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	<title>Comments on: Obama, Clinton, and King (as MLK Day approaches)</title>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2008/01/13/obama-clinton-and-king-as-mlk-day-approaches/#comment-133009</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 17:18:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you&#039;ve already said that!

^^^^^
I said it ,but it didn&#039;t show up</description>
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<p>^^^^^<br />
I said it ,but it didn&#8217;t show up</p>
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		<title>By: Mihailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A follow-up thought, posted to CommonDreams (John Nichols commentary (&quot;MLK, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and the Politics of Memory&quot;):

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/15/6390/?jal_edit_comments#comment-182726

On the “Daily Show”, tonight, January 15th (a week and a day since HRC drew her King/LBJ comparison), Jon Stewart aired the full clip, and said, in effect (I&#039;m making a leap to paraphrase it this way):

‘Huh? What’s the big deal, seems reasonable to render unto The President, what is The President’s.’

That Biblical comparison seems apt to me, at the moment, because no matter how willing LBJ was to sacrifice the ‘future of the party, for a generation’, a dark mist of suspicion, fear and loathing still obscures LBJ’s ghost.

It’s some sort of Mother of All Battles of the Unconscious. The top of the mountain, The Dream, is hidden in a Black Cloud.

Barr McClellan (the former press secretary’s father, attorney and Texas pol) wrote a book called “BLOOD, MONEY, &amp; POWER: How LBJ Killed JFK.”

http://www.bookfinder4u.com/IsbnSearch.aspx?isbn=0963784625&amp;mode=direct

What *did* LBJ know about the MLK, JFK, and RFK assasinations?

I haven’t read the book, not that I expect that it would Reveal All, but I know I don’t fully believe the Official Stories, either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A follow-up thought, posted to CommonDreams (John Nichols commentary (&#8220;MLK, LBJ, Clinton, Obama and the Politics of Memory&#8221;):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/15/6390/?jal_edit_comments#comment-182726" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2008/01/15/6390/?jal_edit_comments#comment-182726</a></p>
<p>On the “Daily Show”, tonight, January 15th (a week and a day since HRC drew her King/LBJ comparison), Jon Stewart aired the full clip, and said, in effect (I&#8217;m making a leap to paraphrase it this way):</p>
<p>‘Huh? What’s the big deal, seems reasonable to render unto The President, what is The President’s.’</p>
<p>That Biblical comparison seems apt to me, at the moment, because no matter how willing LBJ was to sacrifice the ‘future of the party, for a generation’, a dark mist of suspicion, fear and loathing still obscures LBJ’s ghost.</p>
<p>It’s some sort of Mother of All Battles of the Unconscious. The top of the mountain, The Dream, is hidden in a Black Cloud.</p>
<p>Barr McClellan (the former press secretary’s father, attorney and Texas pol) wrote a book called “BLOOD, MONEY, &amp; POWER: How LBJ Killed JFK.”</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bookfinder4u.com/IsbnSearch.aspx?isbn=0963784625&amp;mode=direct" rel="nofollow">http://www.bookfinder4u.com/IsbnSearch.aspx?isbn=0963784625&amp;mode=direct</a></p>
<p>What *did* LBJ know about the MLK, JFK, and RFK assasinations?</p>
<p>I haven’t read the book, not that I expect that it would Reveal All, but I know I don’t fully believe the Official Stories, either.</p>
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		<title>By: eoinmonkey</title>
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		<dc:creator>eoinmonkey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 16:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A repost from BGSU Student Newspaper, MLK Day, 2003, by a good friend of mine. It doesnt even need editing:

&quot;This letter is written in response to the concluding sentiment of yesterday&#039;s editorial. The writer(s), in an attempt to interweave current debates on affirmative action and the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., suggest that King would have opposed affirmative action. This would be a warm and fuzzy sentiment were it correct, but it is in fact desperately mistaken.       

  The misconception that King would have opposed affirmative action is not a new one -- in fact, it is favored by many who oppose affirmative action, because it seems like an air-tight debate stopper (&quot;If MLK was against it, it must be bad.&quot;) This error can be corrected if we examine the words of the man who gave his life espousing views that were not only highly controversial at the time, but would be highly controversial today.       

  In 1967, just one year before his death, King wrote &quot;Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community,&quot; in which he said, &quot;A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis.&quot; King was also a key organizer in &quot;Operation Breadbasket,&quot; which dared to boycott businesses where a disproportionately low number of blacks were employed. This is even more extreme than current affirmative action programs.       

  King did hope that someday people would not be judged by the color of their skin, but he also thought that as long as the effects of slavery, Jim Crow laws and other institutionalized racism persisted, some sort of boost ought to be provided.       

  It is not only unfortunate, but terrifying, that the words of such a great man are being ignored in favor of a watered-down, saccharine image of an &quot;unthreatening&quot; civil rights advocate who wanted only simple equality and nothing more. In fact, King said of such a notion, &quot;On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up.&quot;      

  My argument here is not that affirmative action is a &quot;solution,&quot; or that King&#039;s words are infallible. My argument is simply that King did in fact support the idea of affirmative action. King also had myriad other beliefs that many people today would find threatening or at least unacceptable. I happen to consistently agree with him, but that is not my point. My point is that the best way to honor him is to remember what he really had to say and what his legacy actually is, not to sugarcoat and whitewash his teachings (pun quite intended).        
Jessica Teaman  
GRADUATE STUDENT&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A repost from BGSU Student Newspaper, MLK Day, 2003, by a good friend of mine. It doesnt even need editing:</p>
<p>&#8220;This letter is written in response to the concluding sentiment of yesterday&#8217;s editorial. The writer(s), in an attempt to interweave current debates on affirmative action and the birthday of Martin Luther King, Jr., suggest that King would have opposed affirmative action. This would be a warm and fuzzy sentiment were it correct, but it is in fact desperately mistaken.       </p>
<p>  The misconception that King would have opposed affirmative action is not a new one &#8212; in fact, it is favored by many who oppose affirmative action, because it seems like an air-tight debate stopper (&#8220;If MLK was against it, it must be bad.&#8221;) This error can be corrected if we examine the words of the man who gave his life espousing views that were not only highly controversial at the time, but would be highly controversial today.       </p>
<p>  In 1967, just one year before his death, King wrote &#8220;Where Do We Go From Here: Chaos or Community,&#8221; in which he said, &#8220;A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for him, to equip him to compete on a just and equal basis.&#8221; King was also a key organizer in &#8220;Operation Breadbasket,&#8221; which dared to boycott businesses where a disproportionately low number of blacks were employed. This is even more extreme than current affirmative action programs.       </p>
<p>  King did hope that someday people would not be judged by the color of their skin, but he also thought that as long as the effects of slavery, Jim Crow laws and other institutionalized racism persisted, some sort of boost ought to be provided.       </p>
<p>  It is not only unfortunate, but terrifying, that the words of such a great man are being ignored in favor of a watered-down, saccharine image of an &#8220;unthreatening&#8221; civil rights advocate who wanted only simple equality and nothing more. In fact, King said of such a notion, &#8220;On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up.&#8221;      </p>
<p>  My argument here is not that affirmative action is a &#8220;solution,&#8221; or that King&#8217;s words are infallible. My argument is simply that King did in fact support the idea of affirmative action. King also had myriad other beliefs that many people today would find threatening or at least unacceptable. I happen to consistently agree with him, but that is not my point. My point is that the best way to honor him is to remember what he really had to say and what his legacy actually is, not to sugarcoat and whitewash his teachings (pun quite intended).<br />
Jessica Teaman<br />
GRADUATE STUDENT&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2008/01/13/obama-clinton-and-king-as-mlk-day-approaches/#comment-132000</link>
		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello De. Are you settled in your new location ?

Charles</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello De. Are you settled in your new location ?</p>
<p>Charles</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Laila Lalami&#039;s blog of 1/15/08   http://www.lailalalami.com/blog/

...I copped this link to LA&#039;s Museum of Contemporary Art&#039;s exhibit on The Revolutionary Art of Emory Douglas, Minister of Culture of The Black Panther Party.

Click on the thumbnails for enlarged images and quotes from the artist.

http://www.moca.org/emorydouglas/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Laila Lalami&#8217;s blog of 1/15/08   <a href="http://www.lailalalami.com/blog/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lailalalami.com/blog/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;I copped this link to LA&#8217;s Museum of Contemporary Art&#8217;s exhibit on The Revolutionary Art of Emory Douglas, Minister of Culture of The Black Panther Party.</p>
<p>Click on the thumbnails for enlarged images and quotes from the artist.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.moca.org/emorydouglas/" rel="nofollow">http://www.moca.org/emorydouglas/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mihailo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mihailo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 02:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stan, you hit the nail on the head, so I posted your link to DemocraticUnderground.

Here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;forum=132&amp;topic_id=4062025&amp;mesg_id=4068161</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan, you hit the nail on the head, so I posted your link to DemocraticUnderground.</p>
<p>Here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;forum=132&amp;topic_id=4062025&amp;mesg_id=4068161" rel="nofollow">http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&amp;forum=132&amp;topic_id=4062025&amp;mesg_id=4068161</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still can&#039;t too strongly recommend Lassiter&#039;s book, &lt;a href=&quot;http://press.princeton.edu/quotes/q8044.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Silent Majority&lt;/a&gt;.  No study of the South or the Civil Rights Movement is complete without it, imho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Still can&#8217;t too strongly recommend Lassiter&#8217;s book, <a href="http://press.princeton.edu/quotes/q8044.html" rel="nofollow">The Silent Majority</a>.  No study of the South or the Civil Rights Movement is complete without it, imho.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>as the old saying goes, &quot;the Devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes&quot; -- !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as the old saying goes, &#8220;the Devil can quote Scripture for his own purposes&#8221; &#8212; !</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 22:00:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If anybody sees the movie _The Great Debaters_, notice that the white Harvard debaters quote W.E.B. Dubois to attack the Black debaters&#039; arguments for civil disobedience. That&#039;s similar to abomination of quoting M.L.K. to attack affirmative action.

I believe King spoke directly in favor of affirmative action somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If anybody sees the movie _The Great Debaters_, notice that the white Harvard debaters quote W.E.B. Dubois to attack the Black debaters&#8217; arguments for civil disobedience. That&#8217;s similar to abomination of quoting M.L.K. to attack affirmative action.</p>
<p>I believe King spoke directly in favor of affirmative action somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 21:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On Chris&#039; question, much of King&#039;s work ( like the Montgomery bus boycott) was done before the Panthers came into existence. But there&#039;s likely some validity to your point. The urban rebellions ( Watts 1964 or 65) would have been more the violence that the powers-that-be were concerned about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On Chris&#8217; question, much of King&#8217;s work ( like the Montgomery bus boycott) was done before the Panthers came into existence. But there&#8217;s likely some validity to your point. The urban rebellions ( Watts 1964 or 65) would have been more the violence that the powers-that-be were concerned about.</p>
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