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		<title>By: Stan</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2008/03/14/when-whats-good-gets-ya/#comment-159206</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 21:19:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, when the NAACP decides, rightly, to give Wright a pulpit to defend the prophetic tradition of many African American churches, we can now see what happens.  MSNBC has launched what can only be called a hate-fest against Wright, with other media eagely piling on; and Obama is under pressure from the white establishment within the Democratic Party to denounce Wright.

Jeremiah Wright, and the police slaughter of Sean Bell, have pulled the scab off the putirifying wound of white supremacy once again... and Obama is finding that rhetoric about &quot;racial reconciliation&quot; cannot fume itself into reality.  The Clinton campaign has devolved into little more than an ill-concealed Jim Crow performance.

I am ashamed of my country.  We are a beacon of selfishness, ambition, and hypocrisy to the world.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Over the last several days, I watched Rev. Jeremiah Wright in discussions of faith, theology, history, and culture on television. The three-plus hours I devoted to PBS and CNN amounted to some of the most sophisticated and thoughtful programming on American culture and racial issues that any news station has offered in recent years. And, for those who really listened to Rev. Wright, he moved from being a political liability in the current presidential campaign to demonstrating why he is one of the nation&#039;s most compelling spokespersons of the African-American community and of progressive Christianity.&lt;/blockquote&gt;  &lt;a href=&quot;http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/04/wright-exfactor-by-diana-butle.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FULL&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, when the NAACP decides, rightly, to give Wright a pulpit to defend the prophetic tradition of many African American churches, we can now see what happens.  MSNBC has launched what can only be called a hate-fest against Wright, with other media eagely piling on; and Obama is under pressure from the white establishment within the Democratic Party to denounce Wright.</p>
<p>Jeremiah Wright, and the police slaughter of Sean Bell, have pulled the scab off the putirifying wound of white supremacy once again&#8230; and Obama is finding that rhetoric about &#8220;racial reconciliation&#8221; cannot fume itself into reality.  The Clinton campaign has devolved into little more than an ill-concealed Jim Crow performance.</p>
<p>I am ashamed of my country.  We are a beacon of selfishness, ambition, and hypocrisy to the world.</p>
<blockquote><p>Over the last several days, I watched Rev. Jeremiah Wright in discussions of faith, theology, history, and culture on television. The three-plus hours I devoted to PBS and CNN amounted to some of the most sophisticated and thoughtful programming on American culture and racial issues that any news station has offered in recent years. And, for those who really listened to Rev. Wright, he moved from being a political liability in the current presidential campaign to demonstrating why he is one of the nation&#8217;s most compelling spokespersons of the African-American community and of progressive Christianity.</p></blockquote>
<p>  <a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/godspolitics/2008/04/wright-exfactor-by-diana-butle.html" rel="nofollow">FULL</a></p>
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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 18:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Huckabee Defends Rev. Jeremiah Wright
Huffington Post &#124; March 19, 2008 12:22 PM 

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“[Y]ou can’t hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,” Huckabee says. “It’s interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what … Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you’d say ‘Well, I didn’t mean to say it quite like that.’”

Later, he defended Wright’s anger, too:

“As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say ‘That’s a terrible statement!’ … I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names…”

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Watch this video again, and see how the interviewers want to draw Huckabee out to say something controversial about Wright. Instead of playing along, Huckabee talks about growing up in the segregated South, and says had he been treated the way Blacks were treated, he would be angry too, and maybe even angrier, so let’s not throw stones. Look how his response changed the interviewers’ demeanor, and dissipated the atmosphere of attack that had prevailed a moment ago. I wish I would have the courage, wisdom and eloquence to say something like that in a similar situation. In fact, I think Americans of good will on either side of the political divide wish more of our public life were in the hands of people who behave in this manner, whether overtly religious or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huckabee Defends Rev. Jeremiah Wright<br />
Huffington Post | March 19, 2008 12:22 PM </p>
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<p>An assist from an unexpected quarter:<br />
“[Y]ou can’t hold the candidate responsible for everything that people around him may say or do,” Huckabee says. “It’s interesting to me that there are some people on the left who are having to be very uncomfortable with what … Wright said, when they all were all over a Jerry Falwell, or anyone on the right who said things that they found very awkward and uncomfortable, years ago. Many times those were statements lifted out of the context of a larger sermon. Sermons, after all, are rarely written word for word by pastors like Rev. Wright, who are delivering them extemporaneously, and caught up in the emotion of the moment. There are things that sometimes get said, that if you put them on paper and looked at them in print, you’d say ‘Well, I didn’t mean to say it quite like that.’”</p>
<p>Later, he defended Wright’s anger, too:</p>
<p>“As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say ‘That’s a terrible statement!’ … I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I’m gonna be probably the only conservative in America who’s gonna say something like this, but I’m just tellin’ you — we’ve gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names…”</p>
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Watch this video again, and see how the interviewers want to draw Huckabee out to say something controversial about Wright. Instead of playing along, Huckabee talks about growing up in the segregated South, and says had he been treated the way Blacks were treated, he would be angry too, and maybe even angrier, so let’s not throw stones. Look how his response changed the interviewers’ demeanor, and dissipated the atmosphere of attack that had prevailed a moment ago. I wish I would have the courage, wisdom and eloquence to say something like that in a similar situation. In fact, I think Americans of good will on either side of the political divide wish more of our public life were in the hands of people who behave in this manner, whether overtly religious or not.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stamets&#039; book &lt;i&gt;Mycelium Running&lt;/i&gt; devotes a chapter to using various species of fungus to take up toxins from polluted soil.  Some can &quot;digest&quot; and transform the toxins into harmless substances, some merely stockpile them in the fruiting body which can then be removed (to where?  sigh...)  Lots of solid nerdy references.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stamets&#8217; book <i>Mycelium Running</i> devotes a chapter to using various species of fungus to take up toxins from polluted soil.  Some can &#8220;digest&#8221; and transform the toxins into harmless substances, some merely stockpile them in the fruiting body which can then be removed (to where?  sigh&#8230;)  Lots of solid nerdy references.</p>
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		<title>By: Bruce F</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bruce F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 01:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On of the sites that I came across while putting together my rooftop garden flickr site was Path to Freedom - 

http://www.pathtofreedom.com/urbanhomestead/ataglance.shtml

If you spend some time looking around their site, you might find some specific answers on how to deal with pollution when growing food in urban areas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On of the sites that I came across while putting together my rooftop garden flickr site was Path to Freedom &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pathtofreedom.com/urbanhomestead/ataglance.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.pathtofreedom.com/urbanhomestead/ataglance.shtml</a></p>
<p>If you spend some time looking around their site, you might find some specific answers on how to deal with pollution when growing food in urban areas.</p>
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		<title>By: Legume Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legume Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Poplar trees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Poplar trees?</p>
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		<title>By: Legume Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Legume Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 19:36:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we&#039;re going to take an interest in the effects of car pollution upon garden land, one which I share, we might also want to know about plants which can &quot;suck up&quot; the poisons which are left behind by technologies.  I know, for instance, that cedar trees are sometimes used to &quot;clean up&quot; certain toxic wastes upon land...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we&#8217;re going to take an interest in the effects of car pollution upon garden land, one which I share, we might also want to know about plants which can &#8220;suck up&#8221; the poisons which are left behind by technologies.  I know, for instance, that cedar trees are sometimes used to &#8220;clean up&#8221; certain toxic wastes upon land&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding planting on medians; With an eye to the not to distant future when there might not be as many cars about would now be a good time to start planting cover crops?  If one wanted to be realy ambitious one could cut and remove the vegetation while leaving the fixed nirogen to try to mitigate the amount of crap going into that particular piece of land though it would still have to go somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding planting on medians; With an eye to the not to distant future when there might not be as many cars about would now be a good time to start planting cover crops?  If one wanted to be realy ambitious one could cut and remove the vegetation while leaving the fixed nirogen to try to mitigate the amount of crap going into that particular piece of land though it would still have to go somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Stan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the Dunbar # refers to the depth of relations within a social network, not homogeneity in the type of relation.  Most of us have (1) family members we are tight with and that live nearby, (2) significant others, (3) younguns, (4) friends or close associates at work, (5) buddies, (6) shared interest groups....  like that.  You could map that if you wanted.  List the people about whom you think every day.  How much time spent with them (in person or correspondence), intensity of that time, frequency of that time, scale of 1-5 how much you look forward to the time with them, how big an adjustment it would be if they were no longer in your life... some way like that.  Then graph what you know of their networks, including primary (super-close) networks, personal and survival.  Bound to be a way; probably already done somewhere.

Another interesting thing to map would be how these overlap, but also when and how you might feel forced to &quot;choose between&quot; relationships in any number of ways.

Some of these nets will &quot;breathe,&quot; and some will be very tight and insular.  That has to have some bearing on things like social action organizing, and on the power psychologies of groups.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the Dunbar # refers to the depth of relations within a social network, not homogeneity in the type of relation.  Most of us have (1) family members we are tight with and that live nearby, (2) significant others, (3) younguns, (4) friends or close associates at work, (5) buddies, (6) shared interest groups&#8230;.  like that.  You could map that if you wanted.  List the people about whom you think every day.  How much time spent with them (in person or correspondence), intensity of that time, frequency of that time, scale of 1-5 how much you look forward to the time with them, how big an adjustment it would be if they were no longer in your life&#8230; some way like that.  Then graph what you know of their networks, including primary (super-close) networks, personal and survival.  Bound to be a way; probably already done somewhere.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing to map would be how these overlap, but also when and how you might feel forced to &#8220;choose between&#8221; relationships in any number of ways.</p>
<p>Some of these nets will &#8220;breathe,&#8221; and some will be very tight and insular.  That has to have some bearing on things like social action organizing, and on the power psychologies of groups.</p>
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		<title>By: peggy</title>
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		<dc:creator>peggy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 10:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t eat anything grown close to a road or highway.  You will get sick and throw up. I know this by painful experience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t eat anything grown close to a road or highway.  You will get sick and throw up. I know this by painful experience.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@audrey can&#039;t recommend planting on medians where there is heavy mv traffic.  a fair amount of toxic drek is shed by cars -- not just exhaust, of which the heavier particles rain down coating plant parts, but also tyre dust, brake lining and pad dust, etc.

see for example &lt;a href=http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/112608921/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&amp;SRETRY=0 rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this study on lead accumulation in grapes planted close to motor vehicle roads&lt;/a&gt; -- presumably lead specifically is less of an issue since the widespread adoption of unleaded mogas, but there are lots of other toxins being farted out by mvs.... &lt;a href=http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/113328915/ABSTRACT rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a study on lettuce grown near highways&lt;/a&gt;.  (btw did you know there is a slight but measurable increase in the occurrence of childhood leukaemia mappable to residential proximity to roads carrying more than (iirc) 20K mv trips per diem?)  anyway, I was told from early youth not to eat berries from hedges bordering major motorways, parking lots etc., and it seems good advice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@audrey can&#8217;t recommend planting on medians where there is heavy mv traffic.  a fair amount of toxic drek is shed by cars &#8212; not just exhaust, of which the heavier particles rain down coating plant parts, but also tyre dust, brake lining and pad dust, etc.</p>
<p>see for example <a href=http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/112608921/ABSTRACT?CRETRY=1&#038;SRETRY=0 rel="nofollow">this study on lead accumulation in grapes planted close to motor vehicle roads</a> &#8212; presumably lead specifically is less of an issue since the widespread adoption of unleaded mogas, but there are lots of other toxins being farted out by mvs&#8230;. <a href=http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/113328915/ABSTRACT rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a study on lettuce grown near highways</a>.  (btw did you know there is a slight but measurable increase in the occurrence of childhood leukaemia mappable to residential proximity to roads carrying more than (iirc) 20K mv trips per diem?)  anyway, I was told from early youth not to eat berries from hedges bordering major motorways, parking lots etc., and it seems good advice.</p>
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