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		<title>By: Robert Reed (cabdriver)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Reed (cabdriver)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, thanks for the information. Good to hear a response the topic I brought up by someone who possesses more than my minimal background in regard to technology and engineering.

I always get a sense of relief whenever I learn of practical limitations imposed by laws of physics that obviate my most paranoid nightmares of technological dystopia. Thanks heavens for the inverse square law, for instance. 

I&#039;ve read of the possibility of satellites obtaining and storing large amounts of power transmitted via microwaves from power plants on earth, in connection with me looking doing a brief and inconclusive survey of the maze of rumors and allegations associated with the somewhat infamous HAARP project. 

But since I know of no evidence for a working model of such a technology at present, I&#039;m inclined to discount the possibility- especially as far as its ability to store and utilize the huge amounts of power required for earth targeting laser weaponry.   

(In preference to leading this thread astray into a tangent of doubtful value, curious readers are directed to the official site of HAARP, http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/ ; for the views of those who are suspicious or dubious about the project, http://www.haarp.net/ . I don&#039;t mean to derail the commentary from a more grounded general discussion of the original topic.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, thanks for the information. Good to hear a response the topic I brought up by someone who possesses more than my minimal background in regard to technology and engineering.</p>
<p>I always get a sense of relief whenever I learn of practical limitations imposed by laws of physics that obviate my most paranoid nightmares of technological dystopia. Thanks heavens for the inverse square law, for instance. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read of the possibility of satellites obtaining and storing large amounts of power transmitted via microwaves from power plants on earth, in connection with me looking doing a brief and inconclusive survey of the maze of rumors and allegations associated with the somewhat infamous HAARP project. </p>
<p>But since I know of no evidence for a working model of such a technology at present, I&#8217;m inclined to discount the possibility- especially as far as its ability to store and utilize the huge amounts of power required for earth targeting laser weaponry.   </p>
<p>(In preference to leading this thread astray into a tangent of doubtful value, curious readers are directed to the official site of HAARP, <a href="http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/" rel="nofollow">http://www.haarp.alaska.edu/</a> ; for the views of those who are suspicious or dubious about the project, <a href="http://www.haarp.net/" rel="nofollow">http://www.haarp.net/</a> . I don&#8217;t mean to derail the commentary from a more grounded general discussion of the original topic.)</p>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One other thing: In order to focus to the small spot size implied (cause of death unclear) - you&#039;d need a lens with a &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;focal length&lt;/a&gt; of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_Orbit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;160km&lt;/a&gt; - and the lens must be completely free of defects, for the minimum spot size (10 micron). A 1mm spot size from a 1mm diameter (i.e. narrow hence low power) laser would only half the focal length requirement (which declines with laser width). More over, some means of controlling the beam would be necessary, and that means that the satellite (or some ground system) would have to track the movement of the beam, especially before full power is applied. The lens would have to be very thin, have a highly controlled refractive index, and have a huge (yet consistent) radius of curvature on both sides. 

Without a lens, at the wavelength of a CO2 laser (the most efficient choice) beam dispersion would give a minimum width of 71cm for a satellite at 160km, and the width increases as the square root of the height of the satellite - the laser would need a diameter of 71cm, as narrower lasers will undergo wider dispersion - see any decent optoelectronics text for the beam dispersion equation 2\theta = \frac{4\lambda}{2\pi w_0} (in &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LaTeX&lt;/a&gt; notation). 2\theta is the dispersion angle in radians, \lambda is the wavelength, and w_0 is the beam width at the source (laser). The beam width roughly is the maximum of w_0 and L tan \theta (where L is the height of the satellite). Set them equal, and use the small angle approximation on tan (tan \theta = \theta when in radians), solve for w_0 and get ~71cm beam width.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing: In order to focus to the small spot size implied (cause of death unclear) &#8211; you&#8217;d need a lens with a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focal_length" rel="nofollow">focal length</a> of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low_Earth_Orbit" rel="nofollow">160km</a> &#8211; and the lens must be completely free of defects, for the minimum spot size (10 micron). A 1mm spot size from a 1mm diameter (i.e. narrow hence low power) laser would only half the focal length requirement (which declines with laser width). More over, some means of controlling the beam would be necessary, and that means that the satellite (or some ground system) would have to track the movement of the beam, especially before full power is applied. The lens would have to be very thin, have a highly controlled refractive index, and have a huge (yet consistent) radius of curvature on both sides. </p>
<p>Without a lens, at the wavelength of a CO2 laser (the most efficient choice) beam dispersion would give a minimum width of 71cm for a satellite at 160km, and the width increases as the square root of the height of the satellite &#8211; the laser would need a diameter of 71cm, as narrower lasers will undergo wider dispersion &#8211; see any decent optoelectronics text for the beam dispersion equation 2\theta = \frac{4\lambda}{2\pi w_0} (in <a href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/LaTeX" rel="nofollow">LaTeX</a> notation). 2\theta is the dispersion angle in radians, \lambda is the wavelength, and w_0 is the beam width at the source (laser). The beam width roughly is the maximum of w_0 and L tan \theta (where L is the height of the satellite). Set them equal, and use the small angle approximation on tan (tan \theta = \theta when in radians), solve for w_0 and get ~71cm beam width.</p>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 23:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction: You shouldn&#039;t hear beats - the frequencies would be the same - but distortions arising from variations in the path taken should be audible; the variations are somewhat dependent on atmospheric conditions; according to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.electronics-radio.com/articles/ham_radio/ham-bands/hf-amateur-frequencies.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; site, at the AM frequencies (see 160m), the signal does leave the surface and bounce off the ionosphere at night (even lower frequencies are needed to follow the earth&#039;s surface), so listen at night (better: at dawn or dusk - you might even hear some foreign stations) to a lower-frequency (~650KHz, e.g.) station a few nights in a row, and the distortions should vary on a given night. DX in the link means long distance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction: You shouldn&#8217;t hear beats &#8211; the frequencies would be the same &#8211; but distortions arising from variations in the path taken should be audible; the variations are somewhat dependent on atmospheric conditions; according to <a href="http://www.electronics-radio.com/articles/ham_radio/ham-bands/hf-amateur-frequencies.php" rel="nofollow">this</a> site, at the AM frequencies (see 160m), the signal does leave the surface and bounce off the ionosphere at night (even lower frequencies are needed to follow the earth&#8217;s surface), so listen at night (better: at dawn or dusk &#8211; you might even hear some foreign stations) to a lower-frequency (~650KHz, e.g.) station a few nights in a row, and the distortions should vary on a given night. DX in the link means long distance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 22:11:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops - that should be surface of earth, not signal...</description>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Aug 2009 19:46:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mr Reed:
There are many problems with such a system. 
First off, it requires huge amounts of energy. To illustrate, at what frequencies do these tracking devices operate? According to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.microchipidsystems.com/answer.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one supplier&lt;/a&gt;, it is around 100-200KHz, i.e. with wavelengths of 500m - 1km - these wavelengths reflect off the lower levels of the atmosphere back to earth, when they leave the earth at all: The earth is a conductor, and these signals tend to travel along the earth&#039;s signal (listen to an AM station some time - you might be able to pick out a slight distortion like a very short echo (1/7 of a second) or a beating sound, which arises because at those low frequencies, the signal can take the short and long route along the earth to you. FM commercial frequencies (88-108MHz) go in straight lines (wavelength on the order of 3m) - they have some chance of exiting the atmosphere (rather than being reflected) and being absorbed by a satellite&#039;s receiver. Moreover, many of these devices are &#039;passive&#039; in the sense that they need an external power source, e.g. a varying magnetic field, for power. Add scattering in urban environments, and mere satellites won&#039;t be able to triangulate you; local ground-based (and closely spaced) receivers would be necessary, and they are expensive (energy-wise) to manufacture, much less to deploy, or to develop necessary algorithms for (especially for signals that can go around the earth with not too much attenuation). It pays to study for and obtain the advanced radio amateur examination - the material is not too complicated for a grade eight student - go take it. As for GPS, it relies on signals coming from satellites, and cannot put out enough power to communicate back to the satellite (the complexity required to have such back-communication would make the system very haphazard). Likewise, land-based addenda to GPS (for precision location), simply send out pulses coordinated in time with the satellite signals, to allow for greater precision in location - the GPS device triangulates your device&#039;s position based on the time stamps of the various signals. A GPS device would have to send out your position, i.e. be an explicit tracking device - being a GPS receiver is not sufficient in and of itself. The energy expenditure of including such functionality within each GPS unit would be huge, even if its operation could be controlled to save power. The above does not mean that you shouldn&#039;t take precautions, only that the limits of the technology&#039;s use against you are sufficient that it can be employed efficiently.

Second, huge amounts of energy are necessary for any laser - efficiencies for semiconductor lasers are typically ~1% (this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090022196&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;patent&lt;/a&gt; makes noises of reaching 10% - but high efficiency lasers usually put out less power). Efficiencies for gas lasers are usually ~0.1%, although &lt;a href=&quot;http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/optmod/lasgas.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;CO2 lasers&lt;/a&gt; can reach 30% - although much of that energy would be pumped into moisture and ice-crystals, or simply be scattered by them, as the wavelength of that laser is 0.01mm, the same as the mean for &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;cloud&lt;/a&gt; water-droplet and ice crystal diameter. High purity plutonium would be needed for any such a satellite system, as the solar panels would probably make the satellite obvious in the night sky, if not day sky, and impurities in the plutonium (e.g. the wrong isotope) tends to cause components to fail due to chemical interactions with daughter elements.

Third, high-power semiconductor lasers tend to wear with time, and need occasional replacement - this is especially a problem with fibre-optic communications systems. The difference is greater mass and/or repeated replacement of satellites - the more people or structures they attack, the sooner they have to replace. CO2 lasers typically last a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.rp-photonics.com/co2_lasers.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;few thousand hours at 200W&lt;/a&gt; - assuming a power-lifetime product behavior, even with great feats of engineering, will mean frequent replacement, which militates toward ground-based systems, which are vulnerable.

The advantage of this system is fear, not ability - once they anger enough people, the system&#039;s continuous operation becomes prohibitively costly. Remember peak oil - it takes huge amounts of energy to prepare high purity chemicals (whether for power generation or the control circuitry). Peak water brings similar considerations. And there are at least three super-states who would consider this, which makes the proposition even more costly (inflation - much of the advances in military and other high-computation electronics in the last two decades came from using off-the-shelf consumer electronics to cut costs - dogwaggery?).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mr Reed:<br />
There are many problems with such a system.<br />
First off, it requires huge amounts of energy. To illustrate, at what frequencies do these tracking devices operate? According to <a href="http://www.microchipidsystems.com/answer.htm" rel="nofollow">one supplier</a>, it is around 100-200KHz, i.e. with wavelengths of 500m &#8211; 1km &#8211; these wavelengths reflect off the lower levels of the atmosphere back to earth, when they leave the earth at all: The earth is a conductor, and these signals tend to travel along the earth&#8217;s signal (listen to an AM station some time &#8211; you might be able to pick out a slight distortion like a very short echo (1/7 of a second) or a beating sound, which arises because at those low frequencies, the signal can take the short and long route along the earth to you. FM commercial frequencies (88-108MHz) go in straight lines (wavelength on the order of 3m) &#8211; they have some chance of exiting the atmosphere (rather than being reflected) and being absorbed by a satellite&#8217;s receiver. Moreover, many of these devices are &#8216;passive&#8217; in the sense that they need an external power source, e.g. a varying magnetic field, for power. Add scattering in urban environments, and mere satellites won&#8217;t be able to triangulate you; local ground-based (and closely spaced) receivers would be necessary, and they are expensive (energy-wise) to manufacture, much less to deploy, or to develop necessary algorithms for (especially for signals that can go around the earth with not too much attenuation). It pays to study for and obtain the advanced radio amateur examination &#8211; the material is not too complicated for a grade eight student &#8211; go take it. As for GPS, it relies on signals coming from satellites, and cannot put out enough power to communicate back to the satellite (the complexity required to have such back-communication would make the system very haphazard). Likewise, land-based addenda to GPS (for precision location), simply send out pulses coordinated in time with the satellite signals, to allow for greater precision in location &#8211; the GPS device triangulates your device&#8217;s position based on the time stamps of the various signals. A GPS device would have to send out your position, i.e. be an explicit tracking device &#8211; being a GPS receiver is not sufficient in and of itself. The energy expenditure of including such functionality within each GPS unit would be huge, even if its operation could be controlled to save power. The above does not mean that you shouldn&#8217;t take precautions, only that the limits of the technology&#8217;s use against you are sufficient that it can be employed efficiently.</p>
<p>Second, huge amounts of energy are necessary for any laser &#8211; efficiencies for semiconductor lasers are typically ~1% (this <a href="http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20090022196" rel="nofollow">patent</a> makes noises of reaching 10% &#8211; but high efficiency lasers usually put out less power). Efficiencies for gas lasers are usually ~0.1%, although <a href="http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/optmod/lasgas.html" rel="nofollow">CO2 lasers</a> can reach 30% &#8211; although much of that energy would be pumped into moisture and ice-crystals, or simply be scattered by them, as the wavelength of that laser is 0.01mm, the same as the mean for <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud" rel="nofollow">cloud</a> water-droplet and ice crystal diameter. High purity plutonium would be needed for any such a satellite system, as the solar panels would probably make the satellite obvious in the night sky, if not day sky, and impurities in the plutonium (e.g. the wrong isotope) tends to cause components to fail due to chemical interactions with daughter elements.</p>
<p>Third, high-power semiconductor lasers tend to wear with time, and need occasional replacement &#8211; this is especially a problem with fibre-optic communications systems. The difference is greater mass and/or repeated replacement of satellites &#8211; the more people or structures they attack, the sooner they have to replace. CO2 lasers typically last a <a href="http://www.rp-photonics.com/co2_lasers.html" rel="nofollow">few thousand hours at 200W</a> &#8211; assuming a power-lifetime product behavior, even with great feats of engineering, will mean frequent replacement, which militates toward ground-based systems, which are vulnerable.</p>
<p>The advantage of this system is fear, not ability &#8211; once they anger enough people, the system&#8217;s continuous operation becomes prohibitively costly. Remember peak oil &#8211; it takes huge amounts of energy to prepare high purity chemicals (whether for power generation or the control circuitry). Peak water brings similar considerations. And there are at least three super-states who would consider this, which makes the proposition even more costly (inflation &#8211; much of the advances in military and other high-computation electronics in the last two decades came from using off-the-shelf consumer electronics to cut costs &#8211; dogwaggery?).</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Reed (cabdriver)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Reed (cabdriver)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On a somewhat related topic: I&#039;ve had speculative premonitions about the potential for space weapons technology for at least 10 years and counting. High Frontiers Full Spectrum Dominance. 

It&#039;s been apparent to me for quite some time that there are no theoretical barriers to the development of a space based laser weapons array with the capability of identifying targets from person-carried data devices like cellphones- or, perhaps, VLSI chip implants, already a common technology for identifying house pets and currently being mainstreamed as a technology in humans, using the rationale of such microchip implants providing a ready database for medical providers- and blasting them with a Death Ray bolt from the blue with a linear accuracy of terrifying precision and power. 

In fact, as far as I can tell, the biggest obstacle to achieving such a weapon would be transmitting and storing sufficient energy to the laser/maser/particle beam/directed energy weaponry in order to allow quick reload capability, to dispatch a large number of targets. Hopefully, that&#039;s a problem that will elude practical solution by the budding Dr. Strangeloves out there. But the logistics underpinning the matter of precision targeting capability are pretty much already in place. A fait accomplit. 

All of this sounds very sci-fi paranoid, I realize that. Rest assured that I&#039;ve never been one to obsess over my being at the top of any list of potential targets, in the event of the employment of such weaponry. 

But it nonetheless strikes me that any regime or militaristic elite that might manage to achieve such a capability would possess a power over the human population that would verge on the omniscient and omnipotent. There would be no way to shoot back or disable such a space-based weapon. There would be multiple ways to search out targets with unprecedented accuracy. Depending on the nature of the beam weapon, it might conceivably even be impossible to come to a sure conclusion about the cause of death, much less tracing the trajectory or origin point of a weapon employed in such a remote-control assassination, deployed somewhere in low-earth orbit. 

What would have sounded like lunacy in 1993 is now accepted as commonplace, as far as landsat mapping, precision GPS location, personal digital electronics, and microchipping. And I have no assurance that moral or ethical considerations will prevent the research, development, or deployment of such a weapons array. 

In fact, from reading documents on space weaponry produced by the USAF or its enthusiastic private contractor associates, it often seems as if such ethical considerations have already been dispensed with, because We&#039;re So Good. And since We&#039;re So Good, the horrific, totalitarian implications of a space-based Panopticon Remotely Controlled Garrison are never mentioned. Instead, the achievement of that goal is typically taken for granted as inevitable, necessary, and even as an Ultimate Solution. Unchallengable Power as the Key to World Peace. 

I have issues with that worldview.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On a somewhat related topic: I&#8217;ve had speculative premonitions about the potential for space weapons technology for at least 10 years and counting. High Frontiers Full Spectrum Dominance. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s been apparent to me for quite some time that there are no theoretical barriers to the development of a space based laser weapons array with the capability of identifying targets from person-carried data devices like cellphones- or, perhaps, VLSI chip implants, already a common technology for identifying house pets and currently being mainstreamed as a technology in humans, using the rationale of such microchip implants providing a ready database for medical providers- and blasting them with a Death Ray bolt from the blue with a linear accuracy of terrifying precision and power. </p>
<p>In fact, as far as I can tell, the biggest obstacle to achieving such a weapon would be transmitting and storing sufficient energy to the laser/maser/particle beam/directed energy weaponry in order to allow quick reload capability, to dispatch a large number of targets. Hopefully, that&#8217;s a problem that will elude practical solution by the budding Dr. Strangeloves out there. But the logistics underpinning the matter of precision targeting capability are pretty much already in place. A fait accomplit. </p>
<p>All of this sounds very sci-fi paranoid, I realize that. Rest assured that I&#8217;ve never been one to obsess over my being at the top of any list of potential targets, in the event of the employment of such weaponry. </p>
<p>But it nonetheless strikes me that any regime or militaristic elite that might manage to achieve such a capability would possess a power over the human population that would verge on the omniscient and omnipotent. There would be no way to shoot back or disable such a space-based weapon. There would be multiple ways to search out targets with unprecedented accuracy. Depending on the nature of the beam weapon, it might conceivably even be impossible to come to a sure conclusion about the cause of death, much less tracing the trajectory or origin point of a weapon employed in such a remote-control assassination, deployed somewhere in low-earth orbit. </p>
<p>What would have sounded like lunacy in 1993 is now accepted as commonplace, as far as landsat mapping, precision GPS location, personal digital electronics, and microchipping. And I have no assurance that moral or ethical considerations will prevent the research, development, or deployment of such a weapons array. </p>
<p>In fact, from reading documents on space weaponry produced by the USAF or its enthusiastic private contractor associates, it often seems as if such ethical considerations have already been dispensed with, because We&#8217;re So Good. And since We&#8217;re So Good, the horrific, totalitarian implications of a space-based Panopticon Remotely Controlled Garrison are never mentioned. Instead, the achievement of that goal is typically taken for granted as inevitable, necessary, and even as an Ultimate Solution. Unchallengable Power as the Key to World Peace. </p>
<p>I have issues with that worldview.</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 19:45:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KG22Df01.html

Clinton delivers unwanted tidings to New Delhi
By M K Bhadrakumar</description>
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<p>Clinton delivers unwanted tidings to New Delhi<br />
By M K Bhadrakumar</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 21:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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Pipeline deal is sweet music for Iran
By M K Bhadrakumar</description>
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<p>Pipeline deal is sweet music for Iran<br />
By M K Bhadrakumar</p>
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		<title>By: Henry</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2009/06/19/the-cias-machine-war-in-pakistan-and-implications/#comment-329334</link>
		<dc:creator>Henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:52:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=6862
The &quot;Great Game&quot; Enters the Mediterranean: Gas, Oil, War, and Geo-Politics

http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20090511_eu_turkey_challenges_nabucco_pipeline
EU, Turkey: The Challenges of the Nabucco Pipeline

http://www.stratfor.com/hungary_change_heart_nabucco
Hungary: A Change of Heart on Nabucco


http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14412
US Strategy of Total Energy Control over the European Union and Eurasia
Nabucco Turkey EU and Obama Geopolitics

by F. William Engdahl


Where Is Oil Production Headed?: An Adverse Scenario
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5160</description>
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The &#8220;Great Game&#8221; Enters the Mediterranean: Gas, Oil, War, and Geo-Politics</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20090511_eu_turkey_challenges_nabucco_pipeline" rel="nofollow">http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/20090511_eu_turkey_challenges_nabucco_pipeline</a><br />
EU, Turkey: The Challenges of the Nabucco Pipeline</p>
<p><a href="http://www.stratfor.com/hungary_change_heart_nabucco" rel="nofollow">http://www.stratfor.com/hungary_change_heart_nabucco</a><br />
Hungary: A Change of Heart on Nabucco</p>
<p><a href="http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14412" rel="nofollow">http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&amp;aid=14412</a><br />
US Strategy of Total Energy Control over the European Union and Eurasia<br />
Nabucco Turkey EU and Obama Geopolitics</p>
<p>by F. William Engdahl</p>
<p>Where Is Oil Production Headed?: An Adverse Scenario<br />
<a href="http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5160" rel="nofollow">http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5160</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike Craig</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2009/06/19/the-cias-machine-war-in-pakistan-and-implications/#comment-328968</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 02:24:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The sad fact is that regardless of the technology at hand, As long as there are religous factions that know whats best for the rest of the world, there will death to the inocent. Followed by the ever popular dollar. It is my Humble opinion that more people have been killed for &quot;God&quot; than for any other reason. A quick review of our own prevailing religion&#039;s history is more than most want to contemplate. Why is it prevalent to Human nature to want to destroy anything that is different from the popular belief, As creatures of the same planet, facing the same future, We spend more time creating new ways to hate and kill than in solving our planets problems. There seems no end in site, except for a true world war. why Did The United States rather than Canada get attacked on 9-11? Oh Yea, thats right, Canada didn&#039;t play in the 21st Century Crusades, sorry Guys, I forgot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The sad fact is that regardless of the technology at hand, As long as there are religous factions that know whats best for the rest of the world, there will death to the inocent. Followed by the ever popular dollar. It is my Humble opinion that more people have been killed for &#8220;God&#8221; than for any other reason. A quick review of our own prevailing religion&#8217;s history is more than most want to contemplate. Why is it prevalent to Human nature to want to destroy anything that is different from the popular belief, As creatures of the same planet, facing the same future, We spend more time creating new ways to hate and kill than in solving our planets problems. There seems no end in site, except for a true world war. why Did The United States rather than Canada get attacked on 9-11? Oh Yea, thats right, Canada didn&#8217;t play in the 21st Century Crusades, sorry Guys, I forgot.</p>
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