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		<title>By: xenia</title>
		<link>http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2010/01/10/the-age-of-the-e-book/#comment-356736</link>
		<dc:creator>xenia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 14:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from experience, i can tell that google actually restricted the viewing of many of the pre-20th century books in the last year or so. whereas i was often able to view and download books that i need for my study of the pre-modern world, now i can&#039;t even view them. mysteriously, they&#039;re not public domain any more. certainly, google&#039;s claim that they are spreading knowledge is highly dubious. on the other hand, pricing for many academic books, especially those that never make it into paperback, is hideous. for instance, many books on african and latin american languages and cultures are priced at 100-200 dollars and above. certainly, people from those countries can&#039;t buy them, just as they can&#039;t visit the museums in the &quot;first world&quot; to view their own cultural artifacts which were stolen from them. 

the struggle about ebooks is very interesting. ultimately, what makes a great university is often &quot;merely&quot; a great library. a freer access to books and to knowledge makes a lot of those places insecure in their privilege to be the exclusive, elite producers of knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from experience, i can tell that google actually restricted the viewing of many of the pre-20th century books in the last year or so. whereas i was often able to view and download books that i need for my study of the pre-modern world, now i can&#8217;t even view them. mysteriously, they&#8217;re not public domain any more. certainly, google&#8217;s claim that they are spreading knowledge is highly dubious. on the other hand, pricing for many academic books, especially those that never make it into paperback, is hideous. for instance, many books on african and latin american languages and cultures are priced at 100-200 dollars and above. certainly, people from those countries can&#8217;t buy them, just as they can&#8217;t visit the museums in the &#8220;first world&#8221; to view their own cultural artifacts which were stolen from them. </p>
<p>the struggle about ebooks is very interesting. ultimately, what makes a great university is often &#8220;merely&#8221; a great library. a freer access to books and to knowledge makes a lot of those places insecure in their privilege to be the exclusive, elite producers of knowledge.</p>
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		<title>By: yk</title>
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		<dc:creator>yk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Book aspect to Google in China:

&quot;[Google] also deferred to government anger over its plan to digitalize books and apologized to a Chinese author for scanning parts of her book—a step it hasn&#039;t taken in other countries, where it routinely scans books without paying copyright fees&quot;: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704675104575000772033650164.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular

&quot;Google contends that its project complies with copyright law because it only posts snippets of book to the web if it does not have explicit approval from the copyright holder for a complete reproduction. But Chinese authors aren&#039;t the only ones who believe Google has gone too far.&quot; :
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/googlebooks_and_china/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Book aspect to Google in China:</p>
<p>&#8220;[Google] also deferred to government anger over its plan to digitalize books and apologized to a Chinese author for scanning parts of her book—a step it hasn&#8217;t taken in other countries, where it routinely scans books without paying copyright fees&#8221;: <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704675104575000772033650164.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704675104575000772033650164.html?mod=rss_Today%27s_Most_Popular</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Google contends that its project complies with copyright law because it only posts snippets of book to the web if it does not have explicit approval from the copyright holder for a complete reproduction. But Chinese authors aren&#8217;t the only ones who believe Google has gone too far.&#8221; :<br />
<a href="http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/googlebooks_and_china/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/01/11/googlebooks_and_china/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There has been I think an interesting marrying of electronic technology and the good old library.

I recently rediscovered my local small town library this winter, not only to cut down on expenses but also because I just have too many books laying around, in teetering piles and stuffed in closets.  A &quot;digital&quot; upgrade has really done it wonders. We can now search online from home for books not only at the library (which has a very modest collection) but also through their statewide inter-library system.  There has yet to be a book I couldn&#039;t find - even some obscure titles.

They also will e-mail you when your requests are in and also when you books are due, which can be renewed online.  I have yet to have late fees - which were always a problem for me in the past.

I also noticed that the place was really busy when I was there last, and learned that the number of people visiting the library is at record highs - too bad the state just cut their funding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There has been I think an interesting marrying of electronic technology and the good old library.</p>
<p>I recently rediscovered my local small town library this winter, not only to cut down on expenses but also because I just have too many books laying around, in teetering piles and stuffed in closets.  A &#8220;digital&#8221; upgrade has really done it wonders. We can now search online from home for books not only at the library (which has a very modest collection) but also through their statewide inter-library system.  There has yet to be a book I couldn&#8217;t find &#8211; even some obscure titles.</p>
<p>They also will e-mail you when your requests are in and also when you books are due, which can be renewed online.  I have yet to have late fees &#8211; which were always a problem for me in the past.</p>
<p>I also noticed that the place was really busy when I was there last, and learned that the number of people visiting the library is at record highs &#8211; too bad the state just cut their funding.</p>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 02:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@DeAnander
There is an often invisible, but important, secondary digital divide - much of the more useful information is available at a price - (scientific) journal articles are often ~$30 or more a piece, with strong recommendations against sharing (copyright) - although much nonsense also get published, and in physics, much of the &#039;new&#039; research is insignificant and often flawed... Can a relatively complete scientific `education&#039; be popularized?  On the flip side, it often takes one middle-class individual (anyone who can afford internet and/or a camcorder) in a &#039;third world&#039; country or neighbourhood, to provide effective access to entire (impoverished) communities to information, and to spread information about crimes against such communities. The first step is to make common cause. I&#039;ll link some blogs to the Abahlali baseMjondolo related matters - this organization does (used to - they&#039;ve been under ANC attack) urban agriculture in the shanty town in which they are based. 

As for the &#039;backward&#039; - I don&#039;t think it is an either/or matter - we rise or fall together - their knowledge may be spread through various media, even if they elect not to participate directly in it. A more pressing concern is whether these people will survive these system(s) until said system(s) implode sufficiently to no longer be an immediate threat. Also, there is a wide-spread implicit assumption that stepping away from the technology may lead to an improvement, e.g. in ecology (CO2 above regarding google) - unlikely, as we simply have some access to the technology, but the technology is only moderately dependent on our participation - can we achieve more or less by not participating? With e-books, the reader technology may cause more harm in the short term - I recall there was extra violence against people in eastern Congo-Kinshasa to get the tantalum for the capacitors for the playstation 3... Can we use some google searches in a campaign to reduce overall consumption substantially? How much base CO2 is used per unit time by the google infrastructure in the absence of searches? How much CO2 is used by institutional entities in doing google searches?

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abahlali.org/taxonomy/term/1525&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A dedicated blog&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://antieviction.org.za/2009/10/29/still-no-bail-for-the-kennedy-road-13-as-the-attack-on-our-movement-continues/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; anti-eviction campaign&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?id=21968&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Africa Files&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gQv19cD4Y&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Video of violence&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?3,43&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Centre for civil society&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/cynthia-mckinney-my-visit-to-cape-town-south-africa/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cynthia McKinney&lt;/a&gt;

@Jon
Quite a few foundries have switched to water recycling, due to the water shortages in the midwest USA (where many of them are located); don&#039;t have any references handy on that right now though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@DeAnander<br />
There is an often invisible, but important, secondary digital divide &#8211; much of the more useful information is available at a price &#8211; (scientific) journal articles are often ~$30 or more a piece, with strong recommendations against sharing (copyright) &#8211; although much nonsense also get published, and in physics, much of the &#8216;new&#8217; research is insignificant and often flawed&#8230; Can a relatively complete scientific `education&#8217; be popularized?  On the flip side, it often takes one middle-class individual (anyone who can afford internet and/or a camcorder) in a &#8216;third world&#8217; country or neighbourhood, to provide effective access to entire (impoverished) communities to information, and to spread information about crimes against such communities. The first step is to make common cause. I&#8217;ll link some blogs to the Abahlali baseMjondolo related matters &#8211; this organization does (used to &#8211; they&#8217;ve been under ANC attack) urban agriculture in the shanty town in which they are based. </p>
<p>As for the &#8216;backward&#8217; &#8211; I don&#8217;t think it is an either/or matter &#8211; we rise or fall together &#8211; their knowledge may be spread through various media, even if they elect not to participate directly in it. A more pressing concern is whether these people will survive these system(s) until said system(s) implode sufficiently to no longer be an immediate threat. Also, there is a wide-spread implicit assumption that stepping away from the technology may lead to an improvement, e.g. in ecology (CO2 above regarding google) &#8211; unlikely, as we simply have some access to the technology, but the technology is only moderately dependent on our participation &#8211; can we achieve more or less by not participating? With e-books, the reader technology may cause more harm in the short term &#8211; I recall there was extra violence against people in eastern Congo-Kinshasa to get the tantalum for the capacitors for the playstation 3&#8230; Can we use some google searches in a campaign to reduce overall consumption substantially? How much base CO2 is used per unit time by the google infrastructure in the absence of searches? How much CO2 is used by institutional entities in doing google searches?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.abahlali.org/taxonomy/term/1525" rel="nofollow">A dedicated blog</a>, <a href="http://antieviction.org.za/2009/10/29/still-no-bail-for-the-kennedy-road-13-as-the-attack-on-our-movement-continues/" rel="nofollow"> anti-eviction campaign</a>, <a href="http://www.africafiles.org/article.asp?id=21968" rel="nofollow">Africa Files</a>, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gQv19cD4Y" rel="nofollow">Video of violence</a>, <a href="http://www.ukzn.ac.za/ccs/default.asp?3,43" rel="nofollow">Centre for civil society</a>, <a href="http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/cynthia-mckinney-my-visit-to-cape-town-south-africa/" rel="nofollow">Cynthia McKinney</a></p>
<p>@Jon<br />
Quite a few foundries have switched to water recycling, due to the water shortages in the midwest USA (where many of them are located); don&#8217;t have any references handy on that right now though.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jan 2010 00:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece De, thank you. I&#039;ve worked in the IT industry all my life and still feel, at heart, that digital media are somehow transient. As the magnetic domains used to store the data get smaller, they also become more vulnerable to random change. CDs and DVDs have moved from being &quot;archive quality&quot; to having a recognised shelf life, and don&#039;t get me started on the &quot;cloud&quot;!

Printed material is less convenient in many ways - bigger, heavier, harder to search - but it&#039;s got a smell and a feel that my Sony PRS-505 never had (it&#039;s dead now which shows another expensive vulnerability), even though the Sony fitted into a backpack with 100+ books and some more related to work on an SD card.

The real e-book issue for me is the yet-to-be-resolved one of DRM and the publishing industry&#039;s preference for massive restrictions on use. Yes, authors deserve to be paid, and I don&#039;t agree with the transcription of HP books even though I&#039;m not interested enough to read them in either format. DRM however is bad for a number of reasons, amongst which it allows someone else to control what you can read, and permits snooping on what you have read.

I don&#039;t have an answer, but I find Charles Stross&#039;s views refreshing - he gives electronic versions of his books away for free and considers them advertising. He claims to have figures to back his views too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece De, thank you. I&#8217;ve worked in the IT industry all my life and still feel, at heart, that digital media are somehow transient. As the magnetic domains used to store the data get smaller, they also become more vulnerable to random change. CDs and DVDs have moved from being &#8220;archive quality&#8221; to having a recognised shelf life, and don&#8217;t get me started on the &#8220;cloud&#8221;!</p>
<p>Printed material is less convenient in many ways &#8211; bigger, heavier, harder to search &#8211; but it&#8217;s got a smell and a feel that my Sony PRS-505 never had (it&#8217;s dead now which shows another expensive vulnerability), even though the Sony fitted into a backpack with 100+ books and some more related to work on an SD card.</p>
<p>The real e-book issue for me is the yet-to-be-resolved one of DRM and the publishing industry&#8217;s preference for massive restrictions on use. Yes, authors deserve to be paid, and I don&#8217;t agree with the transcription of HP books even though I&#8217;m not interested enough to read them in either format. DRM however is bad for a number of reasons, amongst which it allows someone else to control what you can read, and permits snooping on what you have read.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have an answer, but I find Charles Stross&#8217;s views refreshing &#8211; he gives electronic versions of his books away for free and considers them advertising. He claims to have figures to back his views too.</p>
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		<title>By: gdenby</title>
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		<dc:creator>gdenby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 20:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For obsessive info collectors, paper can get to be quite a nuisance. I&#039;m happy that my younger son has become a voracious reader. The down side is that his room is already almost jammed with books, and they are spilling over into the room one of his sisters moved from just a few months ago. Thankfully, most of what my wife reads comes from the library. Any more in our own possession, and I wouldn&#039;t be able to walk across the bedroom without stumbling over some volume spilling from under the bed, the dressers, the night stand.

I like to cook. The shelf in the kitchen is filled. I have stacks of cook-books under the living room couch. And then there&#039;s the closet filled with disintegrating pulp. And the shelves of rotting 19th century parlor music. Etc. Oh, and my in-laws house has an entire floor stuffed with books, periodicals, and newsprint, most of which cannot be retrieved without an hour of digging.

So, yeah, an e-reader that I could keep on the counter and search through a few thousand recipes seems ever more attractive. And then a few thousand volumes to peruse while I wait for the bread to rise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For obsessive info collectors, paper can get to be quite a nuisance. I&#8217;m happy that my younger son has become a voracious reader. The down side is that his room is already almost jammed with books, and they are spilling over into the room one of his sisters moved from just a few months ago. Thankfully, most of what my wife reads comes from the library. Any more in our own possession, and I wouldn&#8217;t be able to walk across the bedroom without stumbling over some volume spilling from under the bed, the dressers, the night stand.</p>
<p>I like to cook. The shelf in the kitchen is filled. I have stacks of cook-books under the living room couch. And then there&#8217;s the closet filled with disintegrating pulp. And the shelves of rotting 19th century parlor music. Etc. Oh, and my in-laws house has an entire floor stuffed with books, periodicals, and newsprint, most of which cannot be retrieved without an hour of digging.</p>
<p>So, yeah, an e-reader that I could keep on the counter and search through a few thousand recipes seems ever more attractive. And then a few thousand volumes to peruse while I wait for the bread to rise.</p>
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		<title>By: DeAnander</title>
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		<dc:creator>DeAnander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 18:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Rhisiart -- wow, didn&#039;t know you were a liveaboard.  Let&#039;s compare notes sometime -- maybe via email as others may not be interested in the gritty details of boatlife.  I am not doing as well as you on kicking the fossil habit... but that&#039;s for another diary :-)  Anyway, greetings.  The boat can be seen at her website svtaz.org/blog, btw, if you&#039;re curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Rhisiart &#8212; wow, didn&#8217;t know you were a liveaboard.  Let&#8217;s compare notes sometime &#8212; maybe via email as others may not be interested in the gritty details of boatlife.  I am not doing as well as you on kicking the fossil habit&#8230; but that&#8217;s for another diary <img src='http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   Anyway, greetings.  The boat can be seen at her website svtaz.org/blog, btw, if you&#8217;re curious.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Watson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Watson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:18:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon--
Addendum published today to the article you referenced:
Clarification added 16th January: A report about online energy consumption (Google and you&#039;ll damage the planet, Jan 11) said that &quot;performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle&quot; or about 7g of CO2 per search. We are happy to make clear that this does not refer to a one-hit Google search taking less than a second, which Google says produces about 0.2g of CO2, a figure we accept. In the article, we were referring to a Google search that may involve several attempts to find the object being sought and that may last for several minutes. Various experts put forward carbon emission estimates for such a search of 1g-10g depending on the time involved and the equipment used

And while I&#039;m at it--if the average car these days contains several dozen microchips, how does that change the &quot;9 or 10 computers equals one car&quot; equation?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon&#8211;<br />
Addendum published today to the article you referenced:<br />
Clarification added 16th January: A report about online energy consumption (Google and you&#8217;ll damage the planet, Jan 11) said that &#8220;performing two Google searches from a desktop computer can generate about the same amount of carbon dioxide as boiling a kettle&#8221; or about 7g of CO2 per search. We are happy to make clear that this does not refer to a one-hit Google search taking less than a second, which Google says produces about 0.2g of CO2, a figure we accept. In the article, we were referring to a Google search that may involve several attempts to find the object being sought and that may last for several minutes. Various experts put forward carbon emission estimates for such a search of 1g-10g depending on the time involved and the equipment used</p>
<p>And while I&#8217;m at it&#8211;if the average car these days contains several dozen microchips, how does that change the &#8220;9 or 10 computers equals one car&#8221; equation?</p>
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		<title>By: (Boer) Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>(Boer) Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If one buys a book to inform/share with others, one can readily share it. How possible is that with the e-book?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If one buys a book to inform/share with others, one can readily share it. How possible is that with the e-book?</p>
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		<title>By: Rhisiart Gwilym</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rhisiart Gwilym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:46:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live on a small boat too, De, with all the benefits which you mention (no fuel bought for heating, cooking or movement for at least fifteen years now; all needed fuel gathered from local wood when out with the dogs; enforced simplicity of lifestyle, with minimal room for lots of stuff, so little stuff; etc.)

But the one big problem for me is what to do with my library, which at the moment is mostly in storage boxes in my shore-based workshop. Don&#039;t much like the ebook idea, though. Apart from the questions which you raise, it just feels like such a transient technology, prone to easy and fatal breakdowns, which, as the Synergising Global Crises start to savage us seriously, will pretty certainly proliferate.

On the other hand, a book, even if severely foxed, can still be read and lent for hundreds of years after its manufacture, as long as it still just about holds together, and remains legible. And it&#039;s also easy to copy, even if your only means of copying is a mediaeval scriptorum with pen and ink. 

Think I&#039;ll stick with my Luddite instincts. But good luck with your mini, portable library. Sounds great whilst you have it. Keep those physical books in dry storage somewhere, though, just in case.

And yes, my partner has a small but beautiful land house, and that place is a sweet luxury to me too, a few evenings a week. Compromises, compromises!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live on a small boat too, De, with all the benefits which you mention (no fuel bought for heating, cooking or movement for at least fifteen years now; all needed fuel gathered from local wood when out with the dogs; enforced simplicity of lifestyle, with minimal room for lots of stuff, so little stuff; etc.)</p>
<p>But the one big problem for me is what to do with my library, which at the moment is mostly in storage boxes in my shore-based workshop. Don&#8217;t much like the ebook idea, though. Apart from the questions which you raise, it just feels like such a transient technology, prone to easy and fatal breakdowns, which, as the Synergising Global Crises start to savage us seriously, will pretty certainly proliferate.</p>
<p>On the other hand, a book, even if severely foxed, can still be read and lent for hundreds of years after its manufacture, as long as it still just about holds together, and remains legible. And it&#8217;s also easy to copy, even if your only means of copying is a mediaeval scriptorum with pen and ink. </p>
<p>Think I&#8217;ll stick with my Luddite instincts. But good luck with your mini, portable library. Sounds great whilst you have it. Keep those physical books in dry storage somewhere, though, just in case.</p>
<p>And yes, my partner has a small but beautiful land house, and that place is a sweet luxury to me too, a few evenings a week. Compromises, compromises!</p>
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